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No, I think v13 on HW4 is best in class, apart from the obvious (non-consumer operations) like Waymo. But I think automomy is not enough to draw people to a ne

No, I think v13 on HW4 is best in class, apart from the obvious (non-consumer operations) like Waymo. But I think automomy is not enough to draw people to a new vehicle. Tesla has a branding/advertising issue with v13 because people conflate it with Autosteer (which isn't FSD), or they had a bad experience with v11/v12 and write it off completely, or they have a HW3 (majority of people) - which FSD isn't as great on.

x187463 2y ago
It certainly seems as though many people's opinion of FSD is very much out of date. I recall riding in a friend's M3 in 2020 when he attempted to demonstrate FSD (or whatever it was called at the time). We didn't make it more than a minute or so before he had to deactivate it. When I picked up my M3 years later, I assumed FSD would still be mostly vaporware. I honestly can't believe how good is has gotten. It's not perfect and I maintain full awareness of what it's doing, but it performs incredibly well 95% of the time. It's really nice to feel like you're being driven by a mostly competent driver everywhere you go. Really, it makes about the same number (or less) of mistakes as other people I've driven with, but the mistakes are of a different sort, and after a while you develop an intuition of the situations that are going to challenge it.
- senordevnyc 2y ago
  It's not perfect and I maintain full awareness of what it's doing, but it performs incredibly well 95% of the time. This right here is why it's wildly dangerous and irresponsible. The vast majority of drivers are nowhere near this conscientious, and 95% is a horrible level of reliability for a two ton machine that is out on the road driving around other people. I'm embarrassed for the engineers who contribute to this unethical shitshow. And I'm disgusted at the regulators for allowing this.
slaw 2y ago
According to Out of Spec, Huawei system in Avatr 11 is better than Tesla. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuDSz06BT2g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuDSz06BT2g

x187463 2y ago

It certainly seems as though many people's opinion of FSD is very much out of date. I recall riding in a friend's M3 in 2020 when he attempted to demonstrate FSD (or whatever it was called at the time). We didn't make it more than a minute or so before he had to deactivate it. When I picked up my M3 years later, I assumed FSD would still be mostly vaporware. I honestly can't believe how good is has gotten. It's not perfect and I maintain full awareness of what it's doing, but it performs incredibly well 95% of the time. It's really nice to feel like you're being driven by a mostly competent driver everywhere you go. Really, it makes about the same number (or less) of mistakes as other people I've driven with, but the mistakes are of a different sort, and after a while you develop an intuition of the situations that are going to challenge it.

senordevnyc 2y ago
It's not perfect and I maintain full awareness of what it's doing, but it performs incredibly well 95% of the time. This right here is why it's wildly dangerous and irresponsible. The vast majority of drivers are nowhere near this conscientious, and 95% is a horrible level of reliability for a two ton machine that is out on the road driving around other people. I'm embarrassed for the engineers who contribute to this unethical shitshow. And I'm disgusted at the regulators for allowing this.

slaw 2y ago

According to Out of Spec, Huawei system in Avatr 11 is better than Tesla. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuDSz06BT2g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuDSz06BT2g