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Making Ukraine part of NATO is just something Putin made up, not an actual thing.

CapricornNoble 2y ago
I recommend reading some of the diplomatic cables on Wikileaks https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW3127_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW3127_a.html <--this one from 2008 has Russian diplomats warning about NATO expansion and Ukraine https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08KYIV1144_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08KYIV1144_a.html <-- this one is about Ukrainian spending on a pro-NATO information campaign The Ukrainian president who was anti-NATO is the one that the Euromaidan deposed. https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-scraps-nato-accession-plans/a-5434301 https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-scraps-nato-accession-plans/a-... Here's France24's take in 2014 when Ukraine voted to abandon "non-aligned" status: https://www.france24.com/en/20141223-ukraine-parliament-votes-scrap-non-aligned-status-russia-nato https://www.france24.com/en/20141223-ukraine-parliament-vote... Russia’s annexation of the Crimean Peninsula and its support for the separatist insurgency appear partly rooted in fears that the Western military alliance could expand its presence on the Russian border. Then in 2019 we have this: Ukraine President Signs Constitutional Amendment On NATO, EU Membership (Radio Free Europe, 2019) https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-president-signs-constitutional-amendment-on-nato-eu-membership/29779430.html https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-president-signs-constitution... Followed up by Zelensky doubling down on NATO later that same year: https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-president-promises-nato-referendum-as-part-of-path-to-west/29982943.html https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-president-promises-nato-refe... And then Trump sending additional lethal aid to Ukraine at the end of the year: https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/12/04/trump-to-seek-250m-in-new-lethal-aid-to-ukraine/ https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/12/04/trump-to-see... My personal opinion is that these events in 2019 were the last straw for Putin. He probably made the decision to invade early in 2020....but had to pause those plans while the whole world grappled with COVID. It then took them into mid-2021 to get the ball rolling on staging their forces for invasion, and then they were delayed again due to Xi Jinping telling Putin to not fuck up his Beijing Olympics or he wouldn't get tacit support from the PRC. All of which meant that the early-2022 invasion was likely caused by NATO-related issues that were looking increasingly concerning 3 years earlier.
- codedokode 2y ago
  To add to your collection of links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2021_Russian_ultimatum_to_NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2021_Russian_ultimatu...
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I recommend reading some of the diplomatic cables on Wikileaks https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW3127_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW3127_a.html <--this one from 2008 has Russian diplomats warning about NATO expansion and Ukraine https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08KYIV1144_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08KYIV1144_a.html <-- this one is about Ukrainian spending on a pro-NATO information campaign The Ukrainian president who was anti-NATO is the one that the Euromaidan deposed. https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-scraps-nato-accession-plans/a-5434301 https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-scraps-nato-accession-plans/a-... Here's France24's take in 2014 when Ukraine voted to abandon "non-aligned" status: https://www.france24.com/en/20141223-ukraine-parliament-votes-scrap-non-aligned-status-russia-nato https://www.france24.com/en/20141223-ukraine-parliament-vote... Russia’s annexation of the Crimean Peninsula and its support for the separatist insurgency appear partly rooted in fears that the Western military alliance could expand its presence on the Russian border. Then in 2019 we have this: Ukraine President Signs Constitutional Amendment On NATO, EU Membership (Radio Free Europe, 2019) https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-president-signs-constitutional-amendment-on-nato-eu-membership/29779430.html https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-president-signs-constitution... Followed up by Zelensky doubling down on NATO later that same year: https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-president-promises-nato-referendum-as-part-of-path-to-west/29982943.html https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-president-promises-nato-refe... And then Trump sending additional lethal aid to Ukraine at the end of the year: https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/12/04/trump-to-seek-250m-in-new-lethal-aid-to-ukraine/ https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/12/04/trump-to-see... My personal opinion is that these events in 2019 were the last straw for Putin. He probably made the decision to invade early in 2020....but had to pause those plans while the whole world grappled with COVID. It then took them into mid-2021 to get the ball rolling on staging their forces for invasion, and then they were delayed again due to Xi Jinping telling Putin to not fuck up his Beijing Olympics or he wouldn't get tacit support from the PRC. All of which meant that the early-2022 invasion was likely caused by NATO-related issues that were looking increasingly concerning 3 years earlier.

codedokode 2y ago
To add to your collection of links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2021_Russian_ultimatum_to_NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2021_Russian_ultimatu...
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