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> Think logically. That would entail considering the other differences between a bullet and assisted suicide other than risk of botching or pain experiences, w

> Think logically. That would entail considering the other differences between a bullet and assisted suicide other than risk of botching or pain experiences, which you are clearly not doing.

ninetyninenine 2y ago
It is trivial to think about the differences. It is rational and harder to think about how they are the same horrific act. Under your world at 18 every teenager can be immediately separated from their parents and taken to a suicide room where they have an option to choose between several different suicides each administrated by a professional who will guarantee a painless death. There's gas chamber, sharp shooter, decapitation and lethal injection. Every person the minute their 18 is offered this and forcefully walled off from their parents so their parents won't influence their individual freedom. Additionally there should be public suicide rooms where a person can walk in of their own free will and be instantly gassed to death. One on every corner because freedom. Imagine you had a depressed teenage son/daughter. He's depressed because his girlfriend just broke up with him. In several years he won't be depressed and he'll look back at his depression and see how stupid it was. But at 18 he has freedom, so I encourage him to go get his head blown off by a professional executioner. his parents were able to stop him at 17, but the minute he turns 18 they can't do shit and Now he's dead. Is this right? Is this total worship of individual freedom the correct thing to do? If you're not thinking rationally, which you CLEARLY aren't then you would be incapable of seeing this nuance because it is the LOGICAL consequence of what you support.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  I don't think your argument here is so much logical as it is emotional. I'm not judging or criticizing for that, it's an emotional issue at its core. I think you could have a very, very high threshold for administering euthanasia though, which would be a long cry from having public suicide booths ala Futurama.
  - ninetyninenine 2y ago
    It’s logical but the axioms are emotional. They late rationally the same if you have an emotional reaction to one and not the other then your emotions have no basis in logical consistency. The point here is to show that there is no difference but emotions are what create the illusion of a difference.
    - kennysoona 2y ago
      There is a huge objective difference that has nothing to do with emotion, and you can only equate them by dismissing those differences.
      - ninetyninenine 2y ago
        Let me get this straight the only difference to you for suicide and euthanasia is the risk of a botched job. So your saying if my 18 year old daughter wants to kill herself because of say borderline personality disorder which is treatable I cannot intervene if she asks a professional to lethally inject her but I can intervene if she wants to hang herself and the reason is only because she might mess up the hanging? It’s like hey you’re killing yourself? Let me save you from doing it improperly here’s the number for a guy that can do it professionally. This is your “logical” argument?
        kennysoona 2y ago
        > Let me get this straight the only difference to you for suicide and euthanasia is the risk of a botched job. Also method, motivations, acceptance by family members, doctor approval, etc. > So your saying if my 18 year old daughter wants to kill herself because of say borderline personality disorder which is treatable I cannot intervene if she asks a professional to lethally inject her You wouldn't need to as no responsible medical professional would authorize euthanasia in that case. > This is your “logical” argument? No, it's your misrepresentation of my logical argument, which has consistently been more logical than your emotional argument. Question, are you Christian? Is that influencing your complete rejection of suicide at all?

> Think logically. That would entail considering the other differences between a bullet and assisted suicide other than risk of botching or pain experiences, which you are clearly not doing.

ninetyninenine 2y ago

It is trivial to think about the differences. It is rational and harder to think about how they are the same horrific act. Under your world at 18 every teenager can be immediately separated from their parents and taken to a suicide room where they have an option to choose between several different suicides each administrated by a professional who will guarantee a painless death. There's gas chamber, sharp shooter, decapitation and lethal injection. Every person the minute their 18 is offered this and forcefully walled off from their parents so their parents won't influence their individual freedom. Additionally there should be public suicide rooms where a person can walk in of their own free will and be instantly gassed to death. One on every corner because freedom. Imagine you had a depressed teenage son/daughter. He's depressed because his girlfriend just broke up with him. In several years he won't be depressed and he'll look back at his depression and see how stupid it was. But at 18 he has freedom, so I encourage him to go get his head blown off by a professional executioner. his parents were able to stop him at 17, but the minute he turns 18 they can't do shit and Now he's dead. Is this right? Is this total worship of individual freedom the correct thing to do? If you're not thinking rationally, which you CLEARLY aren't then you would be incapable of seeing this nuance because it is the LOGICAL consequence of what you support.

kennysoona 2y ago
I don't think your argument here is so much logical as it is emotional. I'm not judging or criticizing for that, it's an emotional issue at its core. I think you could have a very, very high threshold for administering euthanasia though, which would be a long cry from having public suicide booths ala Futurama.
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  It’s logical but the axioms are emotional. They late rationally the same if you have an emotional reaction to one and not the other then your emotions have no basis in logical consistency. The point here is to show that there is no difference but emotions are what create the illusion of a difference.
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    There is a huge objective difference that has nothing to do with emotion, and you can only equate them by dismissing those differences.
    - ninetyninenine 2y ago
      Let me get this straight the only difference to you for suicide and euthanasia is the risk of a botched job. So your saying if my 18 year old daughter wants to kill herself because of say borderline personality disorder which is treatable I cannot intervene if she asks a professional to lethally inject her but I can intervene if she wants to hang herself and the reason is only because she might mess up the hanging? It’s like hey you’re killing yourself? Let me save you from doing it improperly here’s the number for a guy that can do it professionally. This is your “logical” argument?
      - kennysoona 2y ago
        > Let me get this straight the only difference to you for suicide and euthanasia is the risk of a botched job. Also method, motivations, acceptance by family members, doctor approval, etc. > So your saying if my 18 year old daughter wants to kill herself because of say borderline personality disorder which is treatable I cannot intervene if she asks a professional to lethally inject her You wouldn't need to as no responsible medical professional would authorize euthanasia in that case. > This is your “logical” argument? No, it's your misrepresentation of my logical argument, which has consistently been more logical than your emotional argument. Question, are you Christian? Is that influencing your complete rejection of suicide at all?