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keyword: could but in this reality now they are helping and have been for awhile. articles like those you have linked have always been appearing, but it only

keyword: could but in this reality now they are helping and have been for awhile. articles like those you have linked have always been appearing, but it only highlights how useful starlink has been. what other company has helped provide internet to ukraine?

rtkwe 2y ago
They already did cut it once around the Black Sea coast and prevented an attack on some Russian ships in the region. Something that USAID was investigating Starlink for (and I'm sure this next part is a total coincidence /s) and USAID was one of the first targets of the DOGE purges.
- theultdev 2y ago
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  - rvnx 2y ago
    It's a bit like if someone sells you one jet fighter (Starlink is a paid service). Then, the manufacturer threatens you to disconnect the plane remotely if you don't agree to their absolutely unrelated wishes. Would you still trust the plane manufacturer ?
    - theultdev 2y ago
      I see you don't want to answer the question posed either. Noone else has helped Ukraine in this regard. Starlink donates connectivity all the time to many disasters, has anyone else? I remember when many people on this site was saying starlink was going to be useless... You have no right to be critical of how others help, if you aren't helping yourself.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > they already did cut it once They may have. Musk denies it. Kyiv doesn’t, to my knowledge, seem to have pressed it. Can’t quite say it’s not true. But can definitely say it’s not known.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> keyword: could That’s the difference between a threat and an attack.
- theultdev 2y ago
  No, it's a difference between a hypothetical and reality. The reality is they are currently helping, have been, and noone else has in that same regard. -- edit -- Those articles linked below are about "talks" and proposals. As of now, noone is deployed in Ukraine other than Starlink. Those companies highlighted don't even have the capacity. They are just blowing hot air for publicity. They aren't helping at all, they are just using the situation to advertise. -- edit 2 -- I see, I must have missed that Eurosat was deployed in Ukraine. Albeit in a much more limited form than Starlink. That's good at least one other company has helped. However, you still have to credit SpaceX for enabling the ability to send the satellites up there in the first place :) Sure you could subsidize the competitors, but they'll be sending a huge portion of that to Starlink anyway to launch them.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > reality is they are currently helping and noone else is in the same regard Eutelsat’s OneWeb and Geo are currently providing services in Ukraine [1][2]. Their leadership, meanwhile, isn’t trying to undermine Kyiv at home and abroad. > those articles linked below are about "talks" and proposals Nope. The proposals are for expansion. Eutelsat currently provides service in Ukraine. (Out of curiosity, where did you read that Starlink has a monopoly on satellite internet in Ukraine? Always helpful to keep track of bad sources.) > those companies highlighted don't even have the capacity Sure, Europe fucked up by relying on Musk. Now they have the opportunity to fix it. In the meantime, it’s insanity to divert any resources to Musk that could go to building a competitor, even if heavily subsidised. (U.S. ignoring WTO rules means dumping and state-support rules no longer apply.) [1] https://www.ft.com/content/f4cc04f0-5ccf-44d8-b5c1-f3eebc9cd55b https://www.ft.com/content/f4cc04f0-5ccf-44d8-b5c1-f3eebc9cd... [2] https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/eutelsat-committed-boosting-europes-satellite-autonomy-continued-support-ukraine-2025-03-03/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/eutelsat-committed-...

rtkwe 2y ago

They already did cut it once around the Black Sea coast and prevented an attack on some Russian ships in the region. Something that USAID was investigating Starlink for (and I'm sure this next part is a total coincidence /s) and USAID was one of the first targets of the DOGE purges.

theultdev 2y ago
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- rvnx 2y ago
  It's a bit like if someone sells you one jet fighter (Starlink is a paid service). Then, the manufacturer threatens you to disconnect the plane remotely if you don't agree to their absolutely unrelated wishes. Would you still trust the plane manufacturer ?
  - theultdev 2y ago
    I see you don't want to answer the question posed either. Noone else has helped Ukraine in this regard. Starlink donates connectivity all the time to many disasters, has anyone else? I remember when many people on this site was saying starlink was going to be useless... You have no right to be critical of how others help, if you aren't helping yourself.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> they already did cut it once They may have. Musk denies it. Kyiv doesn’t, to my knowledge, seem to have pressed it. Can’t quite say it’s not true. But can definitely say it’s not known.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> keyword: could That’s the difference between a threat and an attack.

theultdev 2y ago
No, it's a difference between a hypothetical and reality. The reality is they are currently helping, have been, and noone else has in that same regard. -- edit -- Those articles linked below are about "talks" and proposals. As of now, noone is deployed in Ukraine other than Starlink. Those companies highlighted don't even have the capacity. They are just blowing hot air for publicity. They aren't helping at all, they are just using the situation to advertise. -- edit 2 -- I see, I must have missed that Eurosat was deployed in Ukraine. Albeit in a much more limited form than Starlink. That's good at least one other company has helped. However, you still have to credit SpaceX for enabling the ability to send the satellites up there in the first place :) Sure you could subsidize the competitors, but they'll be sending a huge portion of that to Starlink anyway to launch them.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > reality is they are currently helping and noone else is in the same regard Eutelsat’s OneWeb and Geo are currently providing services in Ukraine [1][2]. Their leadership, meanwhile, isn’t trying to undermine Kyiv at home and abroad. > those articles linked below are about "talks" and proposals Nope. The proposals are for expansion. Eutelsat currently provides service in Ukraine. (Out of curiosity, where did you read that Starlink has a monopoly on satellite internet in Ukraine? Always helpful to keep track of bad sources.) > those companies highlighted don't even have the capacity Sure, Europe fucked up by relying on Musk. Now they have the opportunity to fix it. In the meantime, it’s insanity to divert any resources to Musk that could go to building a competitor, even if heavily subsidised. (U.S. ignoring WTO rules means dumping and state-support rules no longer apply.) [1] https://www.ft.com/content/f4cc04f0-5ccf-44d8-b5c1-f3eebc9cd55b https://www.ft.com/content/f4cc04f0-5ccf-44d8-b5c1-f3eebc9cd... [2] https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/eutelsat-committed-boosting-europes-satellite-autonomy-continued-support-ukraine-2025-03-03/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/eutelsat-committed-...