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I think a lot of non-technical users really don’t understand the distinction between how the OS vs. how any given app can spy on you. Even in technical circles,

I think a lot of non-technical users really don’t understand the distinction between how the OS vs. how any given app can spy on you. Even in technical circles, this issue gets confused. Is Android or iOS better for privacy? Well, modern Android (arguably) gives you better privacy controls for apps, however Android OS itself performs an order of magnitude more spying that iOS does.

gruez 2y ago
>Well, modern Android (arguably) gives you better privacy controls for apps compared to iOS? in what way?
hulitu 2y ago
> Android OS itself performs an order of magnitude more spying that iOS does. Citation needed. (and no, Apple's promises do not count). iOS seems very pushy to turn on every time online services and bluetooth.
- 9283409232 2y ago
  This[1] is a paper that shows what each operating system tracks and what security model they use. Android generally tracks more and has less effective sandboxing. [1] https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=101f723d06082a6c06d327077607aded1e5c7a56 https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&d...
  - gruez 2y ago
    The paper you linked is absolutely trash. The actual "meat" of the article is only two pages, and contains nothing of substance, presumably because the authors themselves admit it's "secondary research where we have collected the data from IEEE Xplore and Wikipedia". It also contains some hilariously bad takes like that Android "is not fully stable because as android is free ware". As for the claim that it has less effective sandboxing, that's just a claim taken at face value from an article from 2014 and is no way indicative of how secure iOS or Android is today.
    - master-lincoln 2y ago
      I wonder why you are being downvoted. The abstract of that paper alone doesn't make me confident that the authors know what they are talking about: Abstract - Mobile operating system is a light weight operating which is used in mobile device. Some operating systems have additional features like sensor embedding and also OTG. In this paper we are going to compare between android and iPhone Operating System (iOS) mobile operating systems that available in the market which is more specific various issues. The issues which we are going to discuss in this paper is not only concern to mobile customers but also concern to software developers. The security requirements for MOS are Memory Randomization, Encryption, Data Storage Format and Built-in Antivirus. Memory randomization ensures that the memory regions of mobile application as well as system shared libraries are all randomized at device and application start-up. In this paper we want compare and analyse the operating system of the Android and iOS.
GeekyBear 2y ago
> Android (arguably) gives you better privacy controls Has Android recently started prompting users to decide whether each individual app receives permissiin to access the ad tracking ID or not?

gruez 2y ago

>Well, modern Android (arguably) gives you better privacy controls for apps compared to iOS? in what way?

hulitu 2y ago

> Android OS itself performs an order of magnitude more spying that iOS does. Citation needed. (and no, Apple's promises do not count). iOS seems very pushy to turn on every time online services and bluetooth.

9283409232 2y ago
This[1] is a paper that shows what each operating system tracks and what security model they use. Android generally tracks more and has less effective sandboxing. [1] https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=101f723d06082a6c06d327077607aded1e5c7a56 https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&d...
- gruez 2y ago
  The paper you linked is absolutely trash. The actual "meat" of the article is only two pages, and contains nothing of substance, presumably because the authors themselves admit it's "secondary research where we have collected the data from IEEE Xplore and Wikipedia". It also contains some hilariously bad takes like that Android "is not fully stable because as android is free ware". As for the claim that it has less effective sandboxing, that's just a claim taken at face value from an article from 2014 and is no way indicative of how secure iOS or Android is today.
  - master-lincoln 2y ago
    I wonder why you are being downvoted. The abstract of that paper alone doesn't make me confident that the authors know what they are talking about: Abstract - Mobile operating system is a light weight operating which is used in mobile device. Some operating systems have additional features like sensor embedding and also OTG. In this paper we are going to compare between android and iPhone Operating System (iOS) mobile operating systems that available in the market which is more specific various issues. The issues which we are going to discuss in this paper is not only concern to mobile customers but also concern to software developers. The security requirements for MOS are Memory Randomization, Encryption, Data Storage Format and Built-in Antivirus. Memory randomization ensures that the memory regions of mobile application as well as system shared libraries are all randomized at device and application start-up. In this paper we want compare and analyse the operating system of the Android and iOS.

GeekyBear 2y ago

> Android (arguably) gives you better privacy controls Has Android recently started prompting users to decide whether each individual app receives permissiin to access the ad tracking ID or not?