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Space isn't really an issue. There's many places that are no good for building but are great for solar, like mountainsides. Besides, if the Netherlands can hav

Space isn't really an issue. There's many places that are no good for building but are great for solar, like mountainsides. Besides, if the Netherlands can have solar then Italy can too. It's much less densely populated. And nuclear lasts 50+ years with constant maintenance, which is really expensive.

troupo 2y ago
> no good for building but are great for solar, like mountainsides. And what's the cost of building on a mountainside, and how much is maintenance? > Besides, if the Netherlands can have solar then Italy can too How much solar are they building in comparison to other sources? > And nuclear lasts 50+ years with constant maintenance, which is really expensive. Unlike solar panels built on mountainsides which are not suitable for other types of buildings?
- lukan 2y ago
  Maintaining solar panels will be always way, way, waaay cheaper, than maintaining a nuclear reactor and disposing safely the waste. Batteries would need to be cheaper, that is all that is needed for italy. In the south, they have sun all year around.
  - troupo 2y ago
    See how you decided to completely ignore my question. But I like that on top of that, batteries are not cheap either
    - lukan 2y ago
      See how I am still free to ignore any question you asked and answer just what I want? Which would be: there is not really a need for stationary batteries to be expensive.
      - troupo 2y ago
        > See how I am still free to ignore any question you asked and answer just what I want? It's a very common tactic by renewables maximalists, and I'm very familiar with it
        lukan 2y ago
        It is a common trait of internet commentators, who are not paid for your education. "And what's the cost of building on a mountainside, and how much is maintenance?" Why should I feel it as my duty to answer that specific question to you? Seriously curious.
        troupo 2y ago
        Because context matters, and the context of the comment you replied to was literally "oh, we should just build solar panels on mountainsides which are not good for other types of building": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43254135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43254135 So the conversation, in context, is literally this: --- Someone: we should build panels on mountainsides Me: how much more expensive will building and maintaining them will be? You: Maintaining solar panels will be always way, way, waaay cheaper than maintaining nuclear. Also batteries will need to become cheaper Me: Erm... That doesn't answer my question, and on top of that you're admitting batteries are not cheap either --- But, again, this is on par with what I expect in such discussions
  - datadeft 2y ago
    > Maintaining solar panels will be always way, way, waaay cheaper, Citization needed. Actually we do not know and we are figuring this out. Few examples: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpJKM65tsCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpJKM65tsCo - https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/weather/worlds-largest-floating-solar-plant-damaged-by-severe-storm-in-india/vi-BB1lzEd1 https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/weather/worlds-largest-float... Batteries would need to be safer, less toxic and less prone to be mined by children in Africa, also orders of magnitude more energy dense. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893248/red-cobalt-congo-drc-mining-siddharth-kara https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893...

troupo 2y ago

> no good for building but are great for solar, like mountainsides. And what's the cost of building on a mountainside, and how much is maintenance? > Besides, if the Netherlands can have solar then Italy can too How much solar are they building in comparison to other sources? > And nuclear lasts 50+ years with constant maintenance, which is really expensive. Unlike solar panels built on mountainsides which are not suitable for other types of buildings?

lukan 2y ago
Maintaining solar panels will be always way, way, waaay cheaper, than maintaining a nuclear reactor and disposing safely the waste. Batteries would need to be cheaper, that is all that is needed for italy. In the south, they have sun all year around.
- troupo 2y ago
  See how you decided to completely ignore my question. But I like that on top of that, batteries are not cheap either
  - lukan 2y ago
    See how I am still free to ignore any question you asked and answer just what I want? Which would be: there is not really a need for stationary batteries to be expensive.
    - troupo 2y ago
      > See how I am still free to ignore any question you asked and answer just what I want? It's a very common tactic by renewables maximalists, and I'm very familiar with it
      - lukan 2y ago
        It is a common trait of internet commentators, who are not paid for your education. "And what's the cost of building on a mountainside, and how much is maintenance?" Why should I feel it as my duty to answer that specific question to you? Seriously curious.
        troupo 2y ago
        Because context matters, and the context of the comment you replied to was literally "oh, we should just build solar panels on mountainsides which are not good for other types of building": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43254135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43254135 So the conversation, in context, is literally this: --- Someone: we should build panels on mountainsides Me: how much more expensive will building and maintaining them will be? You: Maintaining solar panels will be always way, way, waaay cheaper than maintaining nuclear. Also batteries will need to become cheaper Me: Erm... That doesn't answer my question, and on top of that you're admitting batteries are not cheap either --- But, again, this is on par with what I expect in such discussions
- datadeft 2y ago
  > Maintaining solar panels will be always way, way, waaay cheaper, Citization needed. Actually we do not know and we are figuring this out. Few examples: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpJKM65tsCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpJKM65tsCo - https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/weather/worlds-largest-floating-solar-plant-damaged-by-severe-storm-in-india/vi-BB1lzEd1 https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/weather/worlds-largest-float... Batteries would need to be safer, less toxic and less prone to be mined by children in Africa, also orders of magnitude more energy dense. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893248/red-cobalt-congo-drc-mining-siddharth-kara https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893...