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A big part of the problem is the UK used to let in about 100 thou immigrants yearly, that figure is now over a million per year. That means putting up a new ho

by mc32 2y ago

A big part of the problem is the UK used to let in about 100 thou immigrants yearly, that figure is now over a million per year. That means putting up a new house every few minutes. Unless you let Lagos or Caracas-style slums flourish, that’s not going to happen.

nickdothutton 2y ago
One of the reasons the Grenfell Tower disaster was so bad, is you had about 130 apartments with about 650 people in them. Illegally sub-let by the official council tenant.
- throwawayffffas 2y ago
  The Grenfell Tower disaster happened because they chose to clad the building in plastic. If the building had in-wall insulation and no cladding or non-flammable cladding like say steel the whole thing would be a minor fire in one apartment.
immibis 2y ago
Is it better to deliver low-quality housing or none at all? The guy with no housing would be better served even with a large cardboard box, but the police would come and take it away from him if he tried. Banning the symptoms of the problem doesn't solve the problem.
- mc32 2y ago
  The problem is high pop growth. If they regulated the growth to a manageable level, the problem would be manageable. As it is they are importing other countries' housing problems. We saw that in the Us in the 1920s where we had slums and boarding houses. At least in the US we have land. Places like the UK and Japan have limited land. Canada, Brazil, Argentine, Libya have lots of land, the UK does not.
lenerdenator 2y ago
If you can't get local population to grow, you have to bring in your labor from somewhere else. And of course, like most wealthy nations, the British birth rate has been in the toilet since the 70s. This is also a reason that Brexit happened. Arguably the reason, even. There are a lot of working-class people whose families have been in the British Isles for centuries who look at the lack of progress relative to what their ancestors saw during the Empire and postwar eras, and want someone to blame. In this case it was Brussels' migration policies, even though it was providing essential labor that the British economy needs and cannot get from "real British" people because they don't have kids at the necessary rate.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
  >If you can't get local population to grow, you have to bring in your labor from somewhere else. Self-fulfilling prophecy... local populations can't grow when they're starved of housing, energy, and most importantly of all, jobs.
  - lenerdenator 2y ago
    If I didn't know any better, I'd say that the current system of capital distribution wasn't providing those things adequately. But that'd be silly.
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
      That would be silly. Those things are supplied in the required quantities... but there's an oversupply of people to take them. People who don't even have a reason to be in the countries that we're discussing. Implementing marxism won't change anything anyone cares about.
      - lenerdenator 2y ago
        Who said anything about Marxism?
      - 2y ago

by mc32 2y ago

nickdothutton 2y ago

One of the reasons the Grenfell Tower disaster was so bad, is you had about 130 apartments with about 650 people in them. Illegally sub-let by the official council tenant.

throwawayffffas 2y ago
The Grenfell Tower disaster happened because they chose to clad the building in plastic. If the building had in-wall insulation and no cladding or non-flammable cladding like say steel the whole thing would be a minor fire in one apartment.

immibis 2y ago

Is it better to deliver low-quality housing or none at all? The guy with no housing would be better served even with a large cardboard box, but the police would come and take it away from him if he tried. Banning the symptoms of the problem doesn't solve the problem.

mc32 2y ago
The problem is high pop growth. If they regulated the growth to a manageable level, the problem would be manageable. As it is they are importing other countries' housing problems. We saw that in the Us in the 1920s where we had slums and boarding houses. At least in the US we have land. Places like the UK and Japan have limited land. Canada, Brazil, Argentine, Libya have lots of land, the UK does not.

lenerdenator 2y ago

If you can't get local population to grow, you have to bring in your labor from somewhere else. And of course, like most wealthy nations, the British birth rate has been in the toilet since the 70s. This is also a reason that Brexit happened. Arguably the reason, even. There are a lot of working-class people whose families have been in the British Isles for centuries who look at the lack of progress relative to what their ancestors saw during the Empire and postwar eras, and want someone to blame. In this case it was Brussels' migration policies, even though it was providing essential labor that the British economy needs and cannot get from "real British" people because they don't have kids at the necessary rate.

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
>If you can't get local population to grow, you have to bring in your labor from somewhere else. Self-fulfilling prophecy... local populations can't grow when they're starved of housing, energy, and most importantly of all, jobs.
- lenerdenator 2y ago
  If I didn't know any better, I'd say that the current system of capital distribution wasn't providing those things adequately. But that'd be silly.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
    That would be silly. Those things are supplied in the required quantities... but there's an oversupply of people to take them. People who don't even have a reason to be in the countries that we're discussing. Implementing marxism won't change anything anyone cares about.
    - lenerdenator 2y ago
      Who said anything about Marxism?
    - 2y ago