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100% depends on how it’s written. It gives a ton of flexibility regarding incorporating “magic variables” which can lead to incredibly abstruse code. The langua

100% depends on how it’s written. It gives a ton of flexibility regarding incorporating “magic variables” which can lead to incredibly abstruse code. The language motto is “there’s more than one way to do it”, and that’s implemented to a fault.

rurban 2y ago
Same with C or C++. Only recently there came up some examples of well-written C++ code. But most of old cooperate, Microsoft or Stroustrup code is just horrible, worse than hard-core perl nonsense.
- bluGill 2y ago
  Real Programmers can write FORTRAN in any language. Making a large code base easy to read is very hard. People often work on tiny code bases and talk about how easy it is to read, not understanding that they are comparing something with a couple thousand lines of code to something with tens of millions.
- dataflow 2y ago
  > Only recently there came up some examples of well-written C++ code. I'm not sure what you're referring to (link?) but note that whether C++ code is good or bad can depend strongly on the tooling. Certain coding patterns can be fantastic when your tooling can adequately detect their misuse, and awful when it doesn't. Which means sometimes you can't tell just look at code and tell whether it is good or bad. > But most of old cooperate, Microsoft or Stroustrup code is just horrible, worse than hard-core perl nonsense. I got the impression Microsoft's C code was always pretty good, their C++ not so much a decade ago - not sure how their C++ is now.
lief79 2y ago
Paraphrased quote from one of my professors years ago: Writing readable perl is easy, just code it like it's LISP. Granted, he was working with it in AI/bioinformatics. One of my classmates who moved into the IT/management side of things historically got much quicker responses from the dev team whenever he volunteered to code something, as he was always going to do it in perl.
- Terretta 2y ago
  So true. Perl with list comprehensions do look a bit like line noise... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages_(list_comprehension)#Perl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_lang... ... but not really worse than most other languages there. By contrast, its "higher order functions" are useful but relatively speaking, read like someone shook a box of leftover syntax all over them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher-order_function#Perl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher-order_function#Perl Even though C# has a seizure in the middle, Perl still seems the clunkiest.

rurban 2y ago

Same with C or C++. Only recently there came up some examples of well-written C++ code. But most of old cooperate, Microsoft or Stroustrup code is just horrible, worse than hard-core perl nonsense.

bluGill 2y ago
Real Programmers can write FORTRAN in any language. Making a large code base easy to read is very hard. People often work on tiny code bases and talk about how easy it is to read, not understanding that they are comparing something with a couple thousand lines of code to something with tens of millions.
dataflow 2y ago
> Only recently there came up some examples of well-written C++ code. I'm not sure what you're referring to (link?) but note that whether C++ code is good or bad can depend strongly on the tooling. Certain coding patterns can be fantastic when your tooling can adequately detect their misuse, and awful when it doesn't. Which means sometimes you can't tell just look at code and tell whether it is good or bad. > But most of old cooperate, Microsoft or Stroustrup code is just horrible, worse than hard-core perl nonsense. I got the impression Microsoft's C code was always pretty good, their C++ not so much a decade ago - not sure how their C++ is now.

lief79 2y ago

Paraphrased quote from one of my professors years ago: Writing readable perl is easy, just code it like it's LISP. Granted, he was working with it in AI/bioinformatics. One of my classmates who moved into the IT/management side of things historically got much quicker responses from the dev team whenever he volunteered to code something, as he was always going to do it in perl.

Terretta 2y ago
So true. Perl with list comprehensions do look a bit like line noise... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages_(list_comprehension)#Perl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_lang... ... but not really worse than most other languages there. By contrast, its "higher order functions" are useful but relatively speaking, read like someone shook a box of leftover syntax all over them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher-order_function#Perl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher-order_function#Perl Even though C# has a seizure in the middle, Perl still seems the clunkiest.