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They should raise their kids in a manner so they can be trusted to browse the web responsibly and talk to their parents about scary stuff.

by 9dev 2y ago

forgetfreeman 2y ago
I think you'll find some difficulty training children to complete tasks that adults routinely struggle with. Additionally there's the minor issue of defeating the literal billions in R&D that have gone into gamification and other dark patterns. Even your own comment ending with how children should communicate with their parents after being traumatized by internet content suggests you agree that traumatizing content is pervasive and likely unavoidable.
jonhohle 2y ago
Tell me you are not a parent without telling me you are not a parent.
ipython 2y ago
No offense, but do you have kids of social media age and, if so, are you 100% certain this is true for them? I know I can’t say that for my own. One of my kids has a very addictive personality. Great kid, smart, gets good grades. But 100% addicted to YouTube. He will lie straight to your face, sneak an unlocked phone to his room, and watch 22 hours straight of random videos. I shudder of the day he discovers internet pornography. He has no natural defense mechanism and he’s up against billions of dollars and decades of research on how to stoke addiction (aka “engagement”)
- salawat 2y ago
  Then impose punishment for doing so. Parenting is hard, and not called "being your kid's best friend" for a reason. And mind, I'm not against using legislation to cut down on the exploitive and addiction ridden field of UX. I grew up participating in trying to bridge the world of library science and organizing information for quick recall of Web 1.0 and the hell that became web 2.0 when SEO became big, and people realized there was a buck to be made off looking to monetize eye space. The problem isn't at the root parents. It's greed, advertisers, and marketing. But unfortunately it's an Us v. Them to the point where current parents have to focus on eauipping kids to resist the exploitive tendencies current web experiences are built around.
  - pjc50 2y ago
    And yet people wonder why opting out of having kids entirely is really popular.
  - ipython 2y ago
    Also to you- how many kids do you have? Some assumption that I did not impose a punishment. Prey tell what would you suggest the punishment be? Don’t forget, assignments for school are posted online in Google classroom and need to be turned in online. Many require watching YouTube videos. Please enlighten me. You edited your comment to add nuance past the snide “parenting is hard” useless quip. So I’ll add some to mine as well. Greed is the problem. There is a problem of misalignment around this entire ecosystem we have built. We are in an age where we can measure so much more accurately than ever before, so we have invented metrics for everything. Unfortunately these metrics ultimately boil down to “how can I make more money”. We are what we measure. So now we are stuck with platforms whose key performance indicator is time on site, leading to micro optimizations to identify how to get people hooked. No wonder parental controls are so shitty! Those don’t exactly move the “engagement” graph up and to the right, do they? And there’s no meaningful regulation to counteract that force. In other words there is no incentive for them, and I fact every incentive to make my job as a parent harder. So now back to your first comment, boiling down to “you’re a shitty parent. If you were a better parent who scolded their children, you wouldn’t have this problem”. It’s telling that you started your comment that way, and instead of responding to my comment by perhaps enlightening me with your sage parenting tips, decided to edit your comment to add bs about how oh it’s greed not parenting after all. Tell me again how I as an individual is supposed to take on an entire industry built upon a profit motive to do exactly what my kid is doing? Punish him how? Take away his video games? Did that. But then he got up at 6am on Saturday and turned on the Apple TV. Guess what, there’s no meaningful parental controls on that. So I took the remotes and locked them away. Encourage him to go outside and play with friends? Won’t do that because the screens are way more stimulating than interacting with actual people. Then, one day, I forget to turn the Internet back off on his school laptop after he turns in a project online, and the cycle starts again.
    - salawat 2y ago

They should raise their kids in a manner so they can be trusted to browse the web responsibly and talk to their parents about scary stuff.

by 9dev 2y ago

They should raise their kids in a manner so they can be trusted to browse the web responsibly and talk to their parents about scary stuff.

forgetfreeman 2y ago

I think you'll find some difficulty training children to complete tasks that adults routinely struggle with. Additionally there's the minor issue of defeating the literal billions in R&D that have gone into gamification and other dark patterns. Even your own comment ending with how children should communicate with their parents after being traumatized by internet content suggests you agree that traumatizing content is pervasive and likely unavoidable.

jonhohle 2y ago

Tell me you are not a parent without telling me you are not a parent.

ipython 2y ago

No offense, but do you have kids of social media age and, if so, are you 100% certain this is true for them? I know I can’t say that for my own. One of my kids has a very addictive personality. Great kid, smart, gets good grades. But 100% addicted to YouTube. He will lie straight to your face, sneak an unlocked phone to his room, and watch 22 hours straight of random videos. I shudder of the day he discovers internet pornography. He has no natural defense mechanism and he’s up against billions of dollars and decades of research on how to stoke addiction (aka “engagement”)

salawat 2y ago
Then impose punishment for doing so. Parenting is hard, and not called "being your kid's best friend" for a reason. And mind, I'm not against using legislation to cut down on the exploitive and addiction ridden field of UX. I grew up participating in trying to bridge the world of library science and organizing information for quick recall of Web 1.0 and the hell that became web 2.0 when SEO became big, and people realized there was a buck to be made off looking to monetize eye space. The problem isn't at the root parents. It's greed, advertisers, and marketing. But unfortunately it's an Us v. Them to the point where current parents have to focus on eauipping kids to resist the exploitive tendencies current web experiences are built around.
- pjc50 2y ago
  And yet people wonder why opting out of having kids entirely is really popular.
- ipython 2y ago
  Also to you- how many kids do you have? Some assumption that I did not impose a punishment. Prey tell what would you suggest the punishment be? Don’t forget, assignments for school are posted online in Google classroom and need to be turned in online. Many require watching YouTube videos. Please enlighten me. You edited your comment to add nuance past the snide “parenting is hard” useless quip. So I’ll add some to mine as well. Greed is the problem. There is a problem of misalignment around this entire ecosystem we have built. We are in an age where we can measure so much more accurately than ever before, so we have invented metrics for everything. Unfortunately these metrics ultimately boil down to “how can I make more money”. We are what we measure. So now we are stuck with platforms whose key performance indicator is time on site, leading to micro optimizations to identify how to get people hooked. No wonder parental controls are so shitty! Those don’t exactly move the “engagement” graph up and to the right, do they? And there’s no meaningful regulation to counteract that force. In other words there is no incentive for them, and I fact every incentive to make my job as a parent harder. So now back to your first comment, boiling down to “you’re a shitty parent. If you were a better parent who scolded their children, you wouldn’t have this problem”. It’s telling that you started your comment that way, and instead of responding to my comment by perhaps enlightening me with your sage parenting tips, decided to edit your comment to add bs about how oh it’s greed not parenting after all. Tell me again how I as an individual is supposed to take on an entire industry built upon a profit motive to do exactly what my kid is doing? Punish him how? Take away his video games? Did that. But then he got up at 6am on Saturday and turned on the Apple TV. Guess what, there’s no meaningful parental controls on that. So I took the remotes and locked them away. Encourage him to go outside and play with friends? Won’t do that because the screens are way more stimulating than interacting with actual people. Then, one day, I forget to turn the Internet back off on his school laptop after he turns in a project online, and the cycle starts again.
  - salawat 2y ago