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Keep that same energy with israel then.

inglor_cz 2y ago
No problem. Neither of the current populations in Israel should have the right to ethnically cleanse the other one, regardless of historic demography in 1900 AD or 1 AD.
raducu 2y ago
I bet you're located in the USA? Because nowhere else in the world would anyone even think that somehow logic, sanity and common sense should be suspended just because Israel is mentioned in a conversation.
- alephnan 2y ago
  > I bet you're located in the USA? Because nowhere else in the world CCP and internet police are much more likely to use this logic than anti-Israel Americans. If they were, in fact, an American that was anti-Israel, they wouldn't be so riled up about defending the CCP first and foremost. I'm reminded of the island of Truth Teller and Liar problem: https://sites.millersville.edu/bikenaga/math-proof/truth-teller-or-liar/truth-teller-or-liar.html https://sites.millersville.edu/bikenaga/math-proof/truth-tel...
  - raducu 2y ago
    > an American that was anti-Israel. My argument had nothing to do with pro or anti-Israel, I was just point out that I've only encountered this archiemedean lever/pivot point namely "Israel" in the USA. It usually goes exactly like in this thread -- someone saying common sense things like not re-drawing borders and killing other humans today, just because something someone did 100 years ago -- and someone, from the opposite side (nothing to do with Israel) asks if this applies to Israel as well -- because they know damn well it applies to Israel and the point either puts Israel in a bad light or Israel would not like that particular point. At this point if someone asks if "does this apply to Israel" it's usually the bad guys trying to use Israel's name as a logical nuclear weapon.
    - immibis 2y ago
      It's also the case in Germany, but Germany sees Israel as a unique situation to which normal rules do not apply (and pointing out this contradiction may land someone in jail) and does not say "what about Israel?" when the context is any other country.
    - alephnan 2y ago
      I was not saying that you were. I was adding to your comment about OP. You suspect OP to be based in American and influenced by some American line of reasoning towards Israel. I'm saying that someone from the CCP is more likely to change the target by attacking American hypocrisy towards Israel
alephnan 2y ago
You're Chinese police aren't you? This seems to be the whataboutism script Chinese bots have been using on other social media platforms in recent months. I don't support Israel. I just find it too obvious the way you try to shortcircuit and distract away from accusations towards the CCP by moving the point of contention elsewhere. Yes, America can be hypocrital but it doesn't change what people have said here about the CCP.

No problem. Neither of the current populations in Israel should have the right to ethnically cleanse the other one, regardless of historic demography in 1900 AD or 1 AD.

raducu 2y ago

I bet you're located in the USA? Because nowhere else in the world would anyone even think that somehow logic, sanity and common sense should be suspended just because Israel is mentioned in a conversation.

alephnan 2y ago
> I bet you're located in the USA? Because nowhere else in the world CCP and internet police are much more likely to use this logic than anti-Israel Americans. If they were, in fact, an American that was anti-Israel, they wouldn't be so riled up about defending the CCP first and foremost. I'm reminded of the island of Truth Teller and Liar problem: https://sites.millersville.edu/bikenaga/math-proof/truth-teller-or-liar/truth-teller-or-liar.html https://sites.millersville.edu/bikenaga/math-proof/truth-tel...
- raducu 2y ago
  > an American that was anti-Israel. My argument had nothing to do with pro or anti-Israel, I was just point out that I've only encountered this archiemedean lever/pivot point namely "Israel" in the USA. It usually goes exactly like in this thread -- someone saying common sense things like not re-drawing borders and killing other humans today, just because something someone did 100 years ago -- and someone, from the opposite side (nothing to do with Israel) asks if this applies to Israel as well -- because they know damn well it applies to Israel and the point either puts Israel in a bad light or Israel would not like that particular point. At this point if someone asks if "does this apply to Israel" it's usually the bad guys trying to use Israel's name as a logical nuclear weapon.
  - immibis 2y ago
    It's also the case in Germany, but Germany sees Israel as a unique situation to which normal rules do not apply (and pointing out this contradiction may land someone in jail) and does not say "what about Israel?" when the context is any other country.
  - alephnan 2y ago
    I was not saying that you were. I was adding to your comment about OP. You suspect OP to be based in American and influenced by some American line of reasoning towards Israel. I'm saying that someone from the CCP is more likely to change the target by attacking American hypocrisy towards Israel

alephnan 2y ago

You're Chinese police aren't you? This seems to be the whataboutism script Chinese bots have been using on other social media platforms in recent months. I don't support Israel. I just find it too obvious the way you try to shortcircuit and distract away from accusations towards the CCP by moving the point of contention elsewhere. Yes, America can be hypocrital but it doesn't change what people have said here about the CCP.