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>"we're going to sell your data" And: >>This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, roya

>"we're going to sell your data" And: >>This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. So now we can use your photo of your birthday party that you sent via webmail... but don't worry, we don't own it, you just gave us a "non-exclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license".

chownie 2y ago
> So now we can use your photo of your birthday party that you sent via webmail Please read the second half of the text you quoted, where it says "for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox." I cannot find a nicer way to say this, but a lot of people in these threads are essentially winding themselves up and then producing rubbish like this to fuel their own anger. Mozilla have been clumsy sure, but this collective tantrum as a response makes zero sense especially now with given context it's clear they're not doing anything they haven't been doing for years.
- BSDobelix 2y ago
  >>for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. So you "Mozilla" license my data, but i am still allowed todo anything with my data..but so are you (Mozilla) right? What are you trying to explain here? Why do you think open source software, or any software for that matter, should have the right to put a license on MY data? You (the software) are the processor, not the creator, they want to change that by feeding a processor to create an AI creator based on wetware creations...for free. Imagine a Mill, Lathe or 3D-Printer would do that.
  - chownie 2y ago
    > they want to change that by feeding a processor to create an AI creator based on wetware creations...for free. This is actually more of what I was talking about, making stuff up to make yourself angrier. Where are they doing anything AI related with your data? Where's the proof? There's none, because they're not, it's something you've come up with just now out of literal thin air. Let's examine the actual wording in excruciating detail because apparently that's needed > It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. Non-exclusive: The right they claim doesn't stop you or anyone else from claiming the same or similar rights. Royalty free: They won't pay you for it. Worldwide: It doesn't matter which jurisdiction you're in. "Doing as you request in Firefox": Carrying out operations which might mean moving your data from your local machine to a remote one, such as making web requests with requests bodies formed from data you've input. In total: This means they have the non-exclusive right, without need for payment from you and no matter where you are in the world, for Firefox to do what you've asked it to do with your data. When you posted this comment, that was you telling Firefox to move some data to the internet for you. That is what this legal text and the right they claim provides to you. In the old internet they didn't need to write any legalese for this, their legal team think they might need to now because the landscape has changed. That's it. > Imagine a Mill, Lathe or 3D-Printer would do that. If your mill, lathe or 3d printer could publish your data to the internet I guarantee you with 100% certainty they would include licensing text accomplishing roughly the same thing.
    - BSDobelix 2y ago
      >>Where are they doing anything AI related with your data? Where's the proof? https://www.mozilla.ai/ https://www.mozilla.ai/ >without need for payment from you and No need to pay YOU, you are twisting things around. Have fun, i stop here arguing.
      - chownie 2y ago
        >> https://www.mozilla.ai/ https://www.mozilla.ai/ So you googled "mozilla ai" and clicked the first link, which does literally nothing to support the claim you made up. Let me make a wild guess, you don't actually know what the Mozilla AI project does. >>without need for payment from you and > No need to pay YOU, you are twisting things around. I notice you ignored the rest of the entire comment to yet again make something up and get mad. Why would anyone need to pay you for the data you're sending voluntarily? Should HN be paying us for these comments? > Have fun, i stop here arguing. Yeah I bet, have a good one. Hope at some point all of this clicks for you, because I think you fully do not understand what's going on.
- nickthegreek 2y ago
  > This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. The Privacy Notice says they can use your data in anyway they sit fit to make the business a success. They should close that loophole if they want to gain trust.
  - chownie 2y ago
    It gives them the right to use your data, for the purpose you indicate by using Firefox. Additionally, from the very next line which you and GP conveniently chopped out: > This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content. They've since removed the reference to the privacy policy since as they said, users are clearly confused by it.
    - nickthegreek 2y ago
      This is a lie. It is not removed. You either didn't check the facts of your point of you are willfully trying to deceive others. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/ > You Give Mozilla Certain Rights and Permissions > You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content. The next line does not alter the first, hence why I did not include it. I also didnt include the rest of the ToS that has no bearing on my point.
      - chownie 2y ago
        > This is a lie. It is not removed. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms... Read the italicised text.
        nickthegreek 2y ago
        You said the text was removed. I gave you irrefutable evidence it wasn't. Your reading comprehension issues in both this conversation and the blind interpretation of their documents lead me to believe that you are not ready to have a conversation on this topic.
- Izkata 2y ago
  Over a decade ago there was a minor uproar with Facebook when someone spotted a similar phrase in their TOS. They had only included it to cover their bases legally and be allowed have image galleries, but regular people didn't understand and thought Facebook was doing something like selling your pictures for profit.

chownie 2y ago

> So now we can use your photo of your birthday party that you sent via webmail Please read the second half of the text you quoted, where it says "for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox." I cannot find a nicer way to say this, but a lot of people in these threads are essentially winding themselves up and then producing rubbish like this to fuel their own anger. Mozilla have been clumsy sure, but this collective tantrum as a response makes zero sense especially now with given context it's clear they're not doing anything they haven't been doing for years.

BSDobelix 2y ago
>>for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. So you "Mozilla" license my data, but i am still allowed todo anything with my data..but so are you (Mozilla) right? What are you trying to explain here? Why do you think open source software, or any software for that matter, should have the right to put a license on MY data? You (the software) are the processor, not the creator, they want to change that by feeding a processor to create an AI creator based on wetware creations...for free. Imagine a Mill, Lathe or 3D-Printer would do that.
- chownie 2y ago
  > they want to change that by feeding a processor to create an AI creator based on wetware creations...for free. This is actually more of what I was talking about, making stuff up to make yourself angrier. Where are they doing anything AI related with your data? Where's the proof? There's none, because they're not, it's something you've come up with just now out of literal thin air. Let's examine the actual wording in excruciating detail because apparently that's needed > It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. Non-exclusive: The right they claim doesn't stop you or anyone else from claiming the same or similar rights. Royalty free: They won't pay you for it. Worldwide: It doesn't matter which jurisdiction you're in. "Doing as you request in Firefox": Carrying out operations which might mean moving your data from your local machine to a remote one, such as making web requests with requests bodies formed from data you've input. In total: This means they have the non-exclusive right, without need for payment from you and no matter where you are in the world, for Firefox to do what you've asked it to do with your data. When you posted this comment, that was you telling Firefox to move some data to the internet for you. That is what this legal text and the right they claim provides to you. In the old internet they didn't need to write any legalese for this, their legal team think they might need to now because the landscape has changed. That's it. > Imagine a Mill, Lathe or 3D-Printer would do that. If your mill, lathe or 3d printer could publish your data to the internet I guarantee you with 100% certainty they would include licensing text accomplishing roughly the same thing.
  - BSDobelix 2y ago
    >>Where are they doing anything AI related with your data? Where's the proof? https://www.mozilla.ai/ https://www.mozilla.ai/ >without need for payment from you and No need to pay YOU, you are twisting things around. Have fun, i stop here arguing.
    - chownie 2y ago
      >> https://www.mozilla.ai/ https://www.mozilla.ai/ So you googled "mozilla ai" and clicked the first link, which does literally nothing to support the claim you made up. Let me make a wild guess, you don't actually know what the Mozilla AI project does. >>without need for payment from you and > No need to pay YOU, you are twisting things around. I notice you ignored the rest of the entire comment to yet again make something up and get mad. Why would anyone need to pay you for the data you're sending voluntarily? Should HN be paying us for these comments? > Have fun, i stop here arguing. Yeah I bet, have a good one. Hope at some point all of this clicks for you, because I think you fully do not understand what's going on.
nickthegreek 2y ago
> This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. The Privacy Notice says they can use your data in anyway they sit fit to make the business a success. They should close that loophole if they want to gain trust.
- chownie 2y ago
  It gives them the right to use your data, for the purpose you indicate by using Firefox. Additionally, from the very next line which you and GP conveniently chopped out: > This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content. They've since removed the reference to the privacy policy since as they said, users are clearly confused by it.
  - nickthegreek 2y ago
    This is a lie. It is not removed. You either didn't check the facts of your point of you are willfully trying to deceive others. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/ > You Give Mozilla Certain Rights and Permissions > You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content. The next line does not alter the first, hence why I did not include it. I also didnt include the rest of the ToS that has no bearing on my point.
    - chownie 2y ago
      > This is a lie. It is not removed. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms... Read the italicised text.
      - nickthegreek 2y ago
        You said the text was removed. I gave you irrefutable evidence it wasn't. Your reading comprehension issues in both this conversation and the blind interpretation of their documents lead me to believe that you are not ready to have a conversation on this topic.
Izkata 2y ago
Over a decade ago there was a minor uproar with Facebook when someone spotted a similar phrase in their TOS. They had only included it to cover their bases legally and be allowed have image galleries, but regular people didn't understand and thought Facebook was doing something like selling your pictures for profit.