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Please, directly skip to the real announcement: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firef

by mdp2021 2y ago

Please, directly skip to the real announcement: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms... The actual content: > [Given that the definition of "selling" in legal terms can be slippery, we must be aware of not falling in cases like the following:] In order to make Firefox commercially viable, there are a number of places where we collect and share some data with our partners, including our optional ads on New Tab and providing sponsored suggestions in the search bar. We set all of this out in our Privacy Notice. Whenever we share data with our partners, we put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share is stripped of potentially identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP)

zoobab 2y ago
No thank you. Fork.
- chownie 2y ago
  You're forking the FAQ? Because that's the only thing that's actually changed here.
- distances 2y ago
  There's no chance I would be able to recommend some Waterfox or Iceweasel to family or friends. Current status is Chrome or Firefox, and there's a long long way ahead for anything else to become relevant. Death of Firefox would mean immediate death of all the forks too.
  - nickthegreek 2y ago
    Zen is perfectly usable by your family.
    - distances 2y ago
      Browser is such a critical piece of software that it has to be established, with a large and accomplished dev team. Which practically means a budget in the millions at least. Anything smaller I could use myself, but would absolutely never recommend to others. As I said, current mainstream enough options are only Firefox or Chrome.
troupo 2y ago
This was discussed before on HN.: > in some places, the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is broad and evolving. As an example, the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) defines “sale” as... And then they go on to describe what a common-sense definition of a sale is. There's nothing broad or slippery about the example, so yes, they basically say "we're going to sell your data"
- chownie 2y ago
  This leaves out the important part, nothing has actually changed. This is entirely a rewording for what they're currently doing and have been doing for years. If it's such an outrage worthy subject why did no one explode about this when they added the sponsored links years ago?
  - troupo 2y ago
    > why did no one explode about this when they added the sponsored links years ago? There was a lot of discussion and consternation about this as well.
  - nickthegreek 2y ago
    The nothing has actually changed cannot be known. There is no transparency here. This is just what you think based off of their weirdly worded statements. Many people were outraged over the sponsored links here on this very site.
    - chownie 2y ago
      We can tell that nothing materially has changed because people are linking git diffs of the FAQ and no one is linking to any changes in the source code, which is equally as available. From that perspective it's super transparent, if you bother to look.
      - nickthegreek 2y ago
        They released the source code for their server infrastructure where the data they collect is sent so we can verify that? Oh let me check... nope. If only they didnt collect the data there would be no trust issues.

zoobab 2y ago

No thank you. Fork.

chownie 2y ago
You're forking the FAQ? Because that's the only thing that's actually changed here.
distances 2y ago
There's no chance I would be able to recommend some Waterfox or Iceweasel to family or friends. Current status is Chrome or Firefox, and there's a long long way ahead for anything else to become relevant. Death of Firefox would mean immediate death of all the forks too.
- nickthegreek 2y ago
  Zen is perfectly usable by your family.
  - distances 2y ago
    Browser is such a critical piece of software that it has to be established, with a large and accomplished dev team. Which practically means a budget in the millions at least. Anything smaller I could use myself, but would absolutely never recommend to others. As I said, current mainstream enough options are only Firefox or Chrome.

troupo 2y ago

This was discussed before on HN.: > in some places, the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is broad and evolving. As an example, the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) defines “sale” as... And then they go on to describe what a common-sense definition of a sale is. There's nothing broad or slippery about the example, so yes, they basically say "we're going to sell your data"

chownie 2y ago
This leaves out the important part, nothing has actually changed. This is entirely a rewording for what they're currently doing and have been doing for years. If it's such an outrage worthy subject why did no one explode about this when they added the sponsored links years ago?
- troupo 2y ago
  > why did no one explode about this when they added the sponsored links years ago? There was a lot of discussion and consternation about this as well.
- nickthegreek 2y ago
  The nothing has actually changed cannot be known. There is no transparency here. This is just what you think based off of their weirdly worded statements. Many people were outraged over the sponsored links here on this very site.
  - chownie 2y ago
    We can tell that nothing materially has changed because people are linking git diffs of the FAQ and no one is linking to any changes in the source code, which is equally as available. From that perspective it's super transparent, if you bother to look.
    - nickthegreek 2y ago
      They released the source code for their server infrastructure where the data they collect is sent so we can verify that? Oh let me check... nope. If only they didnt collect the data there would be no trust issues.