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It literally was scripted already in the Project 2025[0]: They said exactly what was going to happen, all pre-planned, and anyone is surprised that it is happe

by breput 2y ago

It literally was scripted already in the Project 2025[0]: They said exactly what was going to happen, all pre-planned, and anyone is surprised that it is happening? To be clear - FUCK Project 2025 and especially FUCK anyone messing with NOAA/NWS. And if you think I'm exaggerating: "Focus the NWS on Commercial Operations. Each day, Americans rely on weather forecasts and warnings provided by local radio stations and colleges that are produced not by the NWS, but by private companies such as AccuWeather. Studies have found that the forecasts and warnings provided by the private companies are more reliable than those provided by the NWS." [0] https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-21.pdf https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA... "Break Up NOAA"

stanislavb 2y ago
They are messing with everyone and everything… all at once. Musk and Trump. And it’s too late to stop them without blood…
- breput 2y ago
  Ooh, there's no bread, let them eat cake.
  - squarefoot 2y ago
    There will always be enough bread and circus. They're #1 and #2 necessary things to always give people to keep them silent on a couch rather than protesting or worse.
    - TeMPOraL 2y ago
      That's the thing though: it's not so easy to just feed a continent's worth of people. As a ruler, if you keep running around like the elephant in a china shop, breaking critical infrastructure left and right in the name of "efficiency", you may discover that, come next season, there just isn't any bread to give, and there's fuck all you can do at that point.
- Gigachad 2y ago
  An Italian plumber had a solution
  - alsoforgotmypwd 2y ago
    He had a brother though and he likes powerups too.
derbOac 2y ago
Well, they did vehemently deny it was part of their plan. I wasn't someone who believed their denials, but yes, some people will be surprised by this. They probably won't believe it's happening even while it's happening.
- watwut 2y ago
  You can notice that pattern with conservatives again and again and again. They talk about what they do. Those who read it and believe them are labeled crazy paranoid and polite people are expected to euphemism it. Then they do it. And again and again. While being awarded excessive amount of benefit of doubt again and again. Even now, when I read news, they euphemism and undersell.
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
    The term is 'sane-washing'. The media, even the big media companies so often claimed to be left-leaning, do this. And I think its because the right is just so good at crying victim, that when a news organization just reports what they say, they shout that its an unfair portrayal and fake news. It has been remarkably effective.
    - bediger4000 2y ago
      I believe you're correct - major media imagine their product is objective. They remediate accusations of conservative bias. Over the years they've reduced themselves to quoting and same washing.
ano-ther 2y ago
And even the companies who are supposed to provide this “cheaper and more accurate“ vehemently object to it: https://www.accuweather.com/en/press/accuweather-does-not-support-project-2025-plan-to-fully-commercializing-nws-operations-noaa-has-critical-role-in-american-weather-enterprise/1670156 https://www.accuweather.com/en/press/accuweather-does-not-su...
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  WTF is that press release. It says that "AccuWeather does not support Project 2025 Plan to fully commercializing NWS operations" and that "NOAA has critical role in American Weather Enterprise", but then it follows by basically saying "NOAA is just one of 190 inputs for us, NWS suuuuuuuucks; we're proud to be collaborating with them because we're better than them at everything; look ma', we have AI and Superior Accuracy™." This is not a statement of support, it's a fucking ad. There's no actual "vehemently objecting" - in fact, between the lines, it basically says they don't think disbanding NOAA (as per Project 2025) is necessary - just cutting down to bare minimum will suffice.
  - scarab92 2y ago
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    - sundaeofshock 2y ago
      Or it’s a trial balloon to see how the public and business responds. When the Trump admin says they will do something mind-boggling stupid (like tarries against Canada and Mexico) I take them seriously.
    - mcphage 2y ago
      > Until someone actually starts planning the move And once they do, you'll be back here saying "Chill people. You knew this was coming, it's too late to complain now"
    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      When private equity takes over, they sell all the company's property (to themselves) then have the recently parasitically infested company lease back their old property at inflated rates, sucking as much as they can out of the company before bankrupting it and walking away. This is what 'running government like a business' looks like to American businessmen. This is cutting edge American business thought being applied to the feds.
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nonrandomstring 2y ago
Having created a technological terror regime, those who present the greatest threat are the people who built it, understand it, and can dismantle or change it. For tyrants and terrorists, it's important to make sure there are very few capable counter-forces, and that they are fully under your control. In 1976 Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge regime committed mass atrocities against the entire educated population, setting that country back by centuries. Similarly, Stalin's purges from about 1937 on focused on eliminating engineers, scientists, and doctors. Science is a threat to weak minds because, when all said and done science is about truth. Those who are seizing power in the West now loathe and detest truth. Truth has the potential to empower people. I do not expect Trump/Musk regime to stop at public science. All those private companies who thik they are going to be 'winners' have a very rude shock coming. Any capable, educated minds left will be pivotal to the survival of democracy in coming years.
- squarefoot 2y ago
  Same reason why the first thing Talibans do is going after education.
- alsoforgotmypwd 2y ago
  Any sane person with an IQ >100, I recommend exercising 2a and forming local defense councils.
alsoforgotmypwd 2y ago
The goal is stupid supremacy without respect for anticipating consequences. People will die and life for everyone will suck more because of this unnecessary bullshit.
igleria 2y ago
As an Argentinian, seeing the current US admin applying the "lessons" learned thanks to the javier milei experiment is the stuff of nightmares. Preventable and predictable nightmares.
- noduerme 2y ago
  It seems to me that Milei blazed the trail for the second Trump administration. I think we can count on similar economic effects, and a sharp increase in poverty. But to me (from the US), Milei seems politically weaker than Trump, and less likely to be able to seize total power over future elections. The way Milei's policies have impacted the Argentine economy, do you think he has a chance of being reelected? How much damage does it take before the pendulum swings back?
  - igleria 2y ago
    I do think Milei looks weaker than Donald because: - He is one year in (Donald just began so his fans are still in the honeymoon phase) and still "trickle down" is not working. He did get inflation to go down, but in a way similar to how bleeding out to death also lowers your blood pressure. Argentina needed a Corpus callosotomy, but got The Simpsons Dr Nick for the operation. - The sheer power of being the USA president is orders of magnitude bigger than being Argentina's president. Argentina depends on fresh money to pay its debts, debt rollover, etc. Also, Argentinians are one of the biggest USD cash hoarders in the world due to currency trauma so we directly depend on what the USA does. no kidding. - I have NO IDEA how the legislative elections of 2025 or the presidentials of 2027 are going to go. Trying to predict how Argentina will be in 6 months is harder than predicting Norway's next 50 years. Does he have a chance? Of course. The longer he can keep the ARS/USD stable the longer he will be in power. In the worst case it could take ten years, like last time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Carlos_Menem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Carlos_Menem > How much damage does it take before the pendulum swings back? oof. Menem's period was followed by one of the most pathetic presidents our country has seen, which ended in this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%932002_Argentine_great_depression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%932002_Argentine_gr... I really, really hope someone stops Donald from doing something irreversible. If that is even possible anymore.

by breput 2y ago

stanislavb 2y ago

They are messing with everyone and everything… all at once. Musk and Trump. And it’s too late to stop them without blood…

breput 2y ago
Ooh, there's no bread, let them eat cake.
- squarefoot 2y ago
  There will always be enough bread and circus. They're #1 and #2 necessary things to always give people to keep them silent on a couch rather than protesting or worse.
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    That's the thing though: it's not so easy to just feed a continent's worth of people. As a ruler, if you keep running around like the elephant in a china shop, breaking critical infrastructure left and right in the name of "efficiency", you may discover that, come next season, there just isn't any bread to give, and there's fuck all you can do at that point.
Gigachad 2y ago
An Italian plumber had a solution
- alsoforgotmypwd 2y ago
  He had a brother though and he likes powerups too.

derbOac 2y ago

Well, they did vehemently deny it was part of their plan. I wasn't someone who believed their denials, but yes, some people will be surprised by this. They probably won't believe it's happening even while it's happening.

watwut 2y ago
You can notice that pattern with conservatives again and again and again. They talk about what they do. Those who read it and believe them are labeled crazy paranoid and polite people are expected to euphemism it. Then they do it. And again and again. While being awarded excessive amount of benefit of doubt again and again. Even now, when I read news, they euphemism and undersell.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
  The term is 'sane-washing'. The media, even the big media companies so often claimed to be left-leaning, do this. And I think its because the right is just so good at crying victim, that when a news organization just reports what they say, they shout that its an unfair portrayal and fake news. It has been remarkably effective.
  - bediger4000 2y ago
    I believe you're correct - major media imagine their product is objective. They remediate accusations of conservative bias. Over the years they've reduced themselves to quoting and same washing.

ano-ther 2y ago

And even the companies who are supposed to provide this “cheaper and more accurate“ vehemently object to it: https://www.accuweather.com/en/press/accuweather-does-not-support-project-2025-plan-to-fully-commercializing-nws-operations-noaa-has-critical-role-in-american-weather-enterprise/1670156 https://www.accuweather.com/en/press/accuweather-does-not-su...

TeMPOraL 2y ago
WTF is that press release. It says that "AccuWeather does not support Project 2025 Plan to fully commercializing NWS operations" and that "NOAA has critical role in American Weather Enterprise", but then it follows by basically saying "NOAA is just one of 190 inputs for us, NWS suuuuuuuucks; we're proud to be collaborating with them because we're better than them at everything; look ma', we have AI and Superior Accuracy™." This is not a statement of support, it's a fucking ad. There's no actual "vehemently objecting" - in fact, between the lines, it basically says they don't think disbanding NOAA (as per Project 2025) is necessary - just cutting down to bare minimum will suffice.
- scarab92 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - sundaeofshock 2y ago
    Or it’s a trial balloon to see how the public and business responds. When the Trump admin says they will do something mind-boggling stupid (like tarries against Canada and Mexico) I take them seriously.
  - mcphage 2y ago
    > Until someone actually starts planning the move And once they do, you'll be back here saying "Chill people. You knew this was coming, it's too late to complain now"
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    When private equity takes over, they sell all the company's property (to themselves) then have the recently parasitically infested company lease back their old property at inflated rates, sucking as much as they can out of the company before bankrupting it and walking away. This is what 'running government like a business' looks like to American businessmen. This is cutting edge American business thought being applied to the feds.

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nonrandomstring 2y ago

Having created a technological terror regime, those who present the greatest threat are the people who built it, understand it, and can dismantle or change it. For tyrants and terrorists, it's important to make sure there are very few capable counter-forces, and that they are fully under your control. In 1976 Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge regime committed mass atrocities against the entire educated population, setting that country back by centuries. Similarly, Stalin's purges from about 1937 on focused on eliminating engineers, scientists, and doctors. Science is a threat to weak minds because, when all said and done science is about truth. Those who are seizing power in the West now loathe and detest truth. Truth has the potential to empower people. I do not expect Trump/Musk regime to stop at public science. All those private companies who thik they are going to be 'winners' have a very rude shock coming. Any capable, educated minds left will be pivotal to the survival of democracy in coming years.

squarefoot 2y ago
Same reason why the first thing Talibans do is going after education.
alsoforgotmypwd 2y ago
Any sane person with an IQ >100, I recommend exercising 2a and forming local defense councils.

alsoforgotmypwd 2y ago

The goal is stupid supremacy without respect for anticipating consequences. People will die and life for everyone will suck more because of this unnecessary bullshit.

igleria 2y ago

As an Argentinian, seeing the current US admin applying the "lessons" learned thanks to the javier milei experiment is the stuff of nightmares. Preventable and predictable nightmares.

noduerme 2y ago
It seems to me that Milei blazed the trail for the second Trump administration. I think we can count on similar economic effects, and a sharp increase in poverty. But to me (from the US), Milei seems politically weaker than Trump, and less likely to be able to seize total power over future elections. The way Milei's policies have impacted the Argentine economy, do you think he has a chance of being reelected? How much damage does it take before the pendulum swings back?
- igleria 2y ago
  I do think Milei looks weaker than Donald because: - He is one year in (Donald just began so his fans are still in the honeymoon phase) and still "trickle down" is not working. He did get inflation to go down, but in a way similar to how bleeding out to death also lowers your blood pressure. Argentina needed a Corpus callosotomy, but got The Simpsons Dr Nick for the operation. - The sheer power of being the USA president is orders of magnitude bigger than being Argentina's president. Argentina depends on fresh money to pay its debts, debt rollover, etc. Also, Argentinians are one of the biggest USD cash hoarders in the world due to currency trauma so we directly depend on what the USA does. no kidding. - I have NO IDEA how the legislative elections of 2025 or the presidentials of 2027 are going to go. Trying to predict how Argentina will be in 6 months is harder than predicting Norway's next 50 years. Does he have a chance? Of course. The longer he can keep the ARS/USD stable the longer he will be in power. In the worst case it could take ten years, like last time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Carlos_Menem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Carlos_Menem > How much damage does it take before the pendulum swings back? oof. Menem's period was followed by one of the most pathetic presidents our country has seen, which ended in this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%932002_Argentine_great_depression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%932002_Argentine_gr... I really, really hope someone stops Donald from doing something irreversible. If that is even possible anymore.