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The illustration in the article is extremely appropriate. It's quite strange why Americans tolerate that an unelected, and even unappointed foreigner would des

by bambax 2y ago

The illustration in the article is extremely appropriate. It's quite strange why Americans tolerate that an unelected, and even unappointed foreigner would destroy their country piece by piece. Isn't that exactly what the much-touted second amendment was designed to prevent? Edit: YCombinator "AI Startup School" [0] used to present the list of speakers, and Musk was the first one on that list. Now there's no list anymore. It would be interesting to know if it means he's not coming, or if YC isn't comfortable with publishing their choices. [0] https://events.ycombinator.com/ai-sus https://events.ycombinator.com/ai-sus Original text on that page was: YC is throwing our first-ever AI startup school in San Francisco on June 16 and 17th.\n\nAI Startup School will gather 2000 of the top CS seniors, masters, and PhD candidates in AI to hear from speakers including Elon Musk, Satya Nadella, Sam Altman, Andrej Karpathy, Andrew Ng and many more

VectorLock 2y ago
The most strident proponents of the 2nd Amendment voted for this.
willvarfar 2y ago
Re elected: Musk's DOGE role was very public before the election. A major part of the Trump campaign promises was to do this. Re foreigner: Would it be ok if he pays $5M for the gilded citizenship or should the job be given to a citizen? Would that make it ok?
- bambax 2y ago
  It would not make it ok if he was American-born, but the fact that he wasn't even born in the US adds insult to injury.
einpoklum 2y ago
> Isn't that exactly what the much-touted second amendment > was designed to prevent? IIANM, the second amendment is motivated by the interest of maintaining a militia, mostly against invasion attempts like the British one in the US war of independence.
- koshergweilo 2y ago
  That is not what most second amendment proponents assert
thaumasiotes 2y ago
> Isn't that exactly what the much-touted second amendment was designed to prevent? The historical record is actually very clear on this: the second amendment was designed to prevent the United States from establishing a standing army.
jillesvangurp 2y ago
> It's quite strange why Americans tolerate that an unelected ... They literally voted for this nonsense. Trump won by an undeniable landslide. His previous administration, campaign, and his constant stream of consciousness on X provides all you need to know about his plans, ambitions, intentions, etc. He's not doing a bait and switch here; quite the opposite. So, people can't really claim ignorance. Or that this isn't exactly what they voted for. As for all the outragism, end of world nonsense, and general level of panic visible among (mostly) the minority of people that didn't vote for this, I don't think it's that helpful, constructive, or persuasive. This constant level of "OMG we're all going to die!!!! Boooohoooohoooo!" is just endless variants of the boy who cried wolf. It's having the opposite effect of training people into learning that this is all fine. Who even listens to that stuff anymore? Probably not a majority of voters. That's how we ended up with this situation. And given that there are mid term elections coming up November next year, now would be a good time to come up with a better plan than just handing that on a silver platter to Trump. Again. There's a sense of urgency that is a bit missing here. Democrats are in full on panic & headless chicken mode currently. That's worrying. There's a real possibility to win back the house and senate for Democrats. But that will only mean something if those two institutions can live up to their constitutional responsibilities and not be deadlocked into inaction; like they have been for the last half century or so. Is there a plan beyond just trying to restore the status quo that lead to all this? That doesn't sound like a very good plan to me. Why should people vote for that? If there is a plan, can somebody please articulate what it is? All this reactive outragism is wearing people out. I'm btw. a European moderate (in case you thought otherwise); I don't vote for populists. And I have no vote in this. I do have a stake in the outcome. All this nonsense is threatening to throw the world into big recessions, war and chaos. So, I am kind of grumpy with you people in the US. Get your shit together please. This is embarrassing.
- exsomet 2y ago
  It’s a little silly to write six paragraphs about people having unhelpful responses to something they are powerless to change and then end with “get your shit together”.
  - 2y ago
docdeek 2y ago
> It's quite strange why Americans tolerate that an unelected, and even unappointed foreigner would destroy their country piece by piece. The guy is certainly unelected but he's a citizen of the US who happened to be born overseas. When do you believe someone stop being a foreigner?
- pan69 2y ago
  When one holds no multiple citizenships?
  - docdeek 2y ago
    There’s a bit of a difference between a foreigner and a dual citizen (or a person with multiple citizenships).

by bambax 2y ago

VectorLock 2y ago

The most strident proponents of the 2nd Amendment voted for this.

willvarfar 2y ago

Re elected: Musk's DOGE role was very public before the election. A major part of the Trump campaign promises was to do this. Re foreigner: Would it be ok if he pays $5M for the gilded citizenship or should the job be given to a citizen? Would that make it ok?

bambax 2y ago
It would not make it ok if he was American-born, but the fact that he wasn't even born in the US adds insult to injury.

einpoklum 2y ago

> Isn't that exactly what the much-touted second amendment > was designed to prevent? IIANM, the second amendment is motivated by the interest of maintaining a militia, mostly against invasion attempts like the British one in the US war of independence.

koshergweilo 2y ago
That is not what most second amendment proponents assert

thaumasiotes 2y ago

> Isn't that exactly what the much-touted second amendment was designed to prevent? The historical record is actually very clear on this: the second amendment was designed to prevent the United States from establishing a standing army.

jillesvangurp 2y ago

> It's quite strange why Americans tolerate that an unelected ... They literally voted for this nonsense. Trump won by an undeniable landslide. His previous administration, campaign, and his constant stream of consciousness on X provides all you need to know about his plans, ambitions, intentions, etc. He's not doing a bait and switch here; quite the opposite. So, people can't really claim ignorance. Or that this isn't exactly what they voted for. As for all the outragism, end of world nonsense, and general level of panic visible among (mostly) the minority of people that didn't vote for this, I don't think it's that helpful, constructive, or persuasive. This constant level of "OMG we're all going to die!!!! Boooohoooohoooo!" is just endless variants of the boy who cried wolf. It's having the opposite effect of training people into learning that this is all fine. Who even listens to that stuff anymore? Probably not a majority of voters. That's how we ended up with this situation. And given that there are mid term elections coming up November next year, now would be a good time to come up with a better plan than just handing that on a silver platter to Trump. Again. There's a sense of urgency that is a bit missing here. Democrats are in full on panic & headless chicken mode currently. That's worrying. There's a real possibility to win back the house and senate for Democrats. But that will only mean something if those two institutions can live up to their constitutional responsibilities and not be deadlocked into inaction; like they have been for the last half century or so. Is there a plan beyond just trying to restore the status quo that lead to all this? That doesn't sound like a very good plan to me. Why should people vote for that? If there is a plan, can somebody please articulate what it is? All this reactive outragism is wearing people out. I'm btw. a European moderate (in case you thought otherwise); I don't vote for populists. And I have no vote in this. I do have a stake in the outcome. All this nonsense is threatening to throw the world into big recessions, war and chaos. So, I am kind of grumpy with you people in the US. Get your shit together please. This is embarrassing.

exsomet 2y ago
It’s a little silly to write six paragraphs about people having unhelpful responses to something they are powerless to change and then end with “get your shit together”.
- 2y ago

docdeek 2y ago

> It's quite strange why Americans tolerate that an unelected, and even unappointed foreigner would destroy their country piece by piece. The guy is certainly unelected but he's a citizen of the US who happened to be born overseas. When do you believe someone stop being a foreigner?

pan69 2y ago
When one holds no multiple citizenships?
- docdeek 2y ago
  There’s a bit of a difference between a foreigner and a dual citizen (or a person with multiple citizenships).