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Zelensky's Ukraine stood and fought against Russia for 3 years. Trump's USA surrendered in 6 weeks.
by 4ndrewl 2y ago
Zelensky's Ukraine stood and fought against Russia for 3 years.
Trump's USA surrendered in 6 weeks.
- chgs 2y agoReagan is spinning in his grave.
- skinnymuch 2y ago[flagged]
- MiscCompFacts 2y agoPresumably innocent Russian men are being kidnapped and forced to fight for a dictator just as much. So let’s stop blaming the victim when Russia is clearly the aggressor and started this whole ordeal.
- lazypenguin 2y agoSurprisingly the Russian army is mostly volunteer since the average pay right now is quite high by Russian standards. There are also standard conscripted soldiers as part of the country’s required service. Allegedly the conscripts are kept away from front lines since the death of conscripted young men in Afghanistan was part of the political death knell that led to the fall of the Soviet Union. Unfortunately Ukraine is having to rely more on involuntary conscription to fill the ranks as volunteer numbers have dwindled. There are many documented cases of TASS “kidnapping” military age men. I don’t see the parent poster blaming anybody. Maybe you can say they provided a one-sided view but what they wrote was factual.
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- skinnymuch 2y agoAs the other person responded. You are not correct. The west started this. They couped in Ukraine in 2014. They accelerated tensions with the DPR and LDR. This reminds me of people who say Oct 7 is when things began in Palestine.
- lm28469 2y agoIt doesn't seem to bother Trump when it comes to arming Israel, there no competition but more civilians died there than in Ukraine so far in absolute number, and the ratio of civilian to military deaths isn't even close. If you want to play that card you have to be somewhat consistent. I don't think Trump can play the human rights card, and it's been a looong time
- SpaceL10n 2y agoMost countries have some form of selective service. We're all barbarians...
- skinnymuch 2y agoIt is barbarism within the context of elites in Ukraine sitting around taking money of cowards in Europe and the Five Eyes funneling money and weapons in. A war that could not be won. It was wrong to not cease fire in 202. A proxy war is not the same as most situations
- 4ndrewl 2y agoEducate yourself. Look up the Minsk agreements, that Putin wants to take control of all of Ukraine. And Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. And parts of Finland. This does not stop with a few towns in Eastern Ukraine, this is existential for many countries of the Free World.
- skinnymuch 2y agoFunny Europeans and westerners don’t care when existential threats are around for so much of the world because of the west. No one cares when my parents country existence is screwed and we lose democracy because of the west. The victim mentality of westerners is quite something. Putin can say what he wants. He is a politician. Russia has no ability to do all of that. “Free world”. westerners always try to push their capitalist “freedom” onto the world as the one “free” way. When it isn’t freedom. Also another point of western chauvinism to refer to the primary colonizers and exploiters of the world as the “free world”
- 4ndrewl 2y agoInstead they'll be kidnapped by the Russian invaders. Genius!