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> If I were China, I would give them relative economic independence if they... What authority do you think China has over Taiwan?
by adastra22 2y ago
> If I were China, I would give them relative economic independence if they...
What authority do you think China has over Taiwan?
- tehjoker 2y agoBoth countries claim to be one China lol
- adastra22 2y agoThis take is ignorant of the last 20 years of Taiwanese politics.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> what authority do you think China has over Taiwan? Authority, none. Power, plenty.
- adastra22 2y agoThey can try and find out.
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- rurp 2y agoWell, I hope they don't. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't China has Taiwan seriously outmatched both economically and militarily. The main question is if China takes minimal or significant losses in the event of an attack.
- adastra22 2y agoI could say the same to you. Never in the history of humanity has there ever been an amphibious assault as large as would be required and over as far a distance as the Taiwan straight. And Taiwan is a veritable fortress. A warrens’ nest of hidden antiship missiles and ammunition sites.
- redmajor12 2y agoTaiwan is composed of the refugee losers of the Chinese civil war. That gives them zero legitimacy to continue as anything but a breakaway state occupying a formerly Chinese province.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Taiwan is composed of the refugee losers of the Chinese civil war By this logic China should be returned to the winners of the Opium Wars [1]. No countries for losers! (To say nothing of the CCP’s inaction against Imperial Japan in WWII [2].) Anyone can come up with reasons for stealing stuff based on decades, centuries or millennia-old gripes. What matters is where the people alive today live and how they identify. For good reason, the Taiwanese have been drifting away from China since Xi. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War [2] https://thediplomat.com/2014/09/the-ccp-didnt-fight-imperial-japan-the-kmt-did/ https://thediplomat.com/2014/09/the-ccp-didnt-fight-imperial...
- samlinnfer 2y agoAnd do the winners of the Opium Wars have a verifiable historical claim to the land for thousands of years?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> do the winners of the Opium Wars have a verifiable historical claim to the land for thousands of years? No. Similar to how the Han Chinese don’t have one to Tibet (and other parts of modern-day China). Practically all land touched by humans has multiple verifiable historical claims to it. The further back we go, the more there are and the more ambiguous they become. The only thing we can say with certainty is who is there today. Every other path means violence and is honestly a bit stupid.
- samlinnfer 2y agoOh I’m sorry, did you forget that it wasn’t Han Chinese that laid claim to Tibet during the Qing dynasty, whose emperors were Manchus (even though Han was and still is the main ethnic group)?. But snark aside, your argument doesn’t address my central point.