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Nope. Is as horrible as it gets. They silently swing by the pedestrians with over 20mph, many drive drunk or don't know/avoid traffic rules and there is 0 enfor
by whatever1 2y ago
Nope. Is as horrible as it gets. They silently swing by the pedestrians with over 20mph, many drive drunk or don't know/avoid traffic rules and there is 0 enforcement. And if you get hit by them good luck getting compensated for your hospital bills.
- occz 2y agoThe damages caused by small electric vehicle users is not material when put into the context of all vehicular violence, where cars overwhelmingly dominate.
- e40 2y agoExactly. They are a scourge. My best friend’s son had facial reconstructive surgery due to a scooter crash and a coworker’s son broke his arm, quite a bad break.
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- Toutouxc 2y agoBut.. it wasn't the scooter's fault, was it?
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- tim333 2y agoe-scooters seem incredibly unsafe to me and I think the figures back that up. e-bikes are much more stable.
- Toutouxc 2y agoI've ridden many thousands of kilometers on all kinds of regular bikes, e-bikes, e-scooters (of the small-wheels kind), electrified kickbikes (of the big-front-wheel kind) and actual scooters (of the vespa kind) and it all feels roughly the same to me. If you're an idiot who couldn't be bothered to learn how to ride $vehicle, you will likely crash $vehicle. The issue is that e-scooters (of the small-wheels kind) are nowadays the weapon of choice of idiots who don't take riding seriously — because they're the cheapest and most portable solution that doesn't require any energy expenditure (unlike a bike) or special skill (unlike a onewheel or similar).
- stephen_g 2y agoYeah, I’ve racked up more than 2000 km on my e-scooter too with no issues, and I agree with your assessment - I see plenty of people riding responsibly but some people doing absolutely crazy things on scooters (often riding on busy roads, and at similar speeds to cars - crazy) and think it’s just a matter of time when you ride like that… On bike paths at the legal speed limit here (25 km/h) you’re far less likely to have problems, especially if not riding while affected by any substances.
- michaelt 2y agoMost motorbike deaths are human error, not the motorbike’s fault. But nonetheless, many people fear motorbikes as they’re particularly human error prone.
- e40 2y agoYes, it was. They are quite unstable at the speeds they allow.
- Toutouxc 2y agoWhat do you mean by “unstable”? All single-track vehicles are inherently unstable and use that for steering.
- gnarcoregrizz 2y agoBeen there. It’s a hazard of biking in general. I love riding though. There are fatal car crashes all the time.
- e40 2y agoI know far more people who ride bikes and I literally know 1 person that fell and was injured. I think it's very clear scooters are far more dangerous than bikes.
- thecopy 2y agoAs horrible as the 41’000 that die year from cars in the US? Even after billions and billions are spent on their infrastructure? How safe would cities with micro mobility be if we spent the same on them?
- dinkblam 2y ago> As horrible as the 41’000 that die year from cars in the US? and almost zero percent of that happens in cities.
- ben_w 2y ago59% in urban areas: https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/Publication/813599 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/Publication/8135...
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y agoWhere did you get that idea?
- dinkblam 2y agoi was referring to drivers&occupants only
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y agoHow does it matter which side of the bodyframe the death occurred on?
- ricardobeat 2y agoScooters should ride on the road. There is huge backlash in the Netherlands on the growing amount of scooters and especially fat bikes [1] riding on the bicycle paths, often ignoring speed limits and increasing risks by 10x. The conversation really should be centered on “normal” e-bikes with light pedal assist, but these monsters are imported at extremely cheap prices and becomes first choice for teenagers and anyone on a budget. [1] low-rider bikes with very wide tires, basically an electric motorcycle where you barely have to pedal
- masfuerte 2y agoThey are electric motorcycles and without registration, insurance, helmets, etc. they are breaking all kinds of laws. But for some reason the police here in the UK don't give a shit.
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