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Is Trump even allowed to do that? Didn't he get impeached for basically the same thing in his last term?

by jquery 2y ago

jfengel 2y ago
Impeached but not convicted. Like getting convicted and receiving zero sentence: it has no consequences and therefore might as well not have happened.
girvo 2y ago
No one is going to stop him, and everyone keeps complying, so yes he is allowed to do that.
int_19h 2y ago
He got impeached for withholding military aid to force the Ukrainian government to investigate his political opponent, but that's not a factor in this case. Broadly speaking, Trump claims that he has the power to tell any executive agency to not do anything under the "unitary executive" theory. Whether this holds or not is up to the courts to determine, but unless and until there is a stay, the executive agencies have to follow the EO.
UncleOxidant 2y ago
He knows this senate wouldn't come close to convicting. Heck, this house wouldn't even impeach.
- trhway 2y ago
  Trump tomorrow is giving a speech in Congress and we can bet how loud - Very Loud, Very Very Loud or We Love You Ecstatically, Our King - he will be applauded to.
hedora 2y ago
If the democrats get enough votes in the house and senate, I imagine they’ll swiftly kick him and hopefully vance out. For that to happen, the US economy will need to collapse (likely, given the tariffs, dismantling of governments, alienation of all trade partners, and multiple incoming pandemics, including measles, bird flu and ebola). However, the US will have to be a democracy in 12-24 months, and all of Trump’s actions suggest he thinks that’s unlikely.
- energy123 2y ago
  Not sure why this got downvoted, this is stating two clearly correct premises. The only people who will vote against Trump are in the Democratic Party, and the only way they'll get enough representatives into power is with economic collapse. Inflation is the only thing voters care about to a very accurate first approximation. Dismantling the institutions and installing autocracy is not something that causes public sentiment to change.
  - tstrimple 2y ago
    > Inflation is the only thing voters care about to a very accurate first approximation. And yet there always seems to be a stark contrast between what conservatives state they voted for versus what studies bear out in that regard. Basically every election in my politically aware history has come down to "the economy" and yet conservatives can see all time highs across many metrics and decry something as a "bad economy" and immediately switch positions as soon as their guy is elected even though nothing material has changed around the economy. Just like it was never about the price of eggs in the latest election. The price of eggs is just the most politically correct thing they could latch onto to justify their votes. All talk of egg prices went silent despite the price of eggs continuing to rise. It's almost like something else was the primary issue all along. https://theintercept.com/2018/09/18/2016-election-race-class-trump/ https://theintercept.com/2018/09/18/2016-election-race-class...
    - energy123 2y ago
      Metrics are averages that obscure the heterogeneity of base reality. About 100 million Americans own no significant assets. Metrics that show stonks going up is not lived by these people. They hold some fiat which deteriorated in value and a real wage which has declined because housing inflation is a larger proportion of their expenditure than what the CPI basket has weighted. Housing ownership is further out of reach than ever, while inequality has ballooned because asset owners doubled their wealth due to asset price inflation. So it is accurate that for this subset of people, inflation has been destructive, in an absolute sense but especially in a relative sense. And it's this subset of people that broke for Trump, educational polarization is at an all time high and the racial purity of Trump's base eroded with Hispanics entering the coalition.

Is Trump even allowed to do that? Didn't he get impeached for basically the same thing in his last term?

by jquery 2y ago

Is Trump even allowed to do that? Didn't he get impeached for basically the same thing in his last term?

Impeached but not convicted. Like getting convicted and receiving zero sentence: it has no consequences and therefore might as well not have happened.

girvo 2y ago

No one is going to stop him, and everyone keeps complying, so yes he is allowed to do that.

int_19h 2y ago

He got impeached for withholding military aid to force the Ukrainian government to investigate his political opponent, but that's not a factor in this case. Broadly speaking, Trump claims that he has the power to tell any executive agency to not do anything under the "unitary executive" theory. Whether this holds or not is up to the courts to determine, but unless and until there is a stay, the executive agencies have to follow the EO.

UncleOxidant 2y ago

He knows this senate wouldn't come close to convicting. Heck, this house wouldn't even impeach.

trhway 2y ago
Trump tomorrow is giving a speech in Congress and we can bet how loud - Very Loud, Very Very Loud or We Love You Ecstatically, Our King - he will be applauded to.

hedora 2y ago

If the democrats get enough votes in the house and senate, I imagine they’ll swiftly kick him and hopefully vance out. For that to happen, the US economy will need to collapse (likely, given the tariffs, dismantling of governments, alienation of all trade partners, and multiple incoming pandemics, including measles, bird flu and ebola). However, the US will have to be a democracy in 12-24 months, and all of Trump’s actions suggest he thinks that’s unlikely.

energy123 2y ago
Not sure why this got downvoted, this is stating two clearly correct premises. The only people who will vote against Trump are in the Democratic Party, and the only way they'll get enough representatives into power is with economic collapse. Inflation is the only thing voters care about to a very accurate first approximation. Dismantling the institutions and installing autocracy is not something that causes public sentiment to change.
- tstrimple 2y ago
  > Inflation is the only thing voters care about to a very accurate first approximation. And yet there always seems to be a stark contrast between what conservatives state they voted for versus what studies bear out in that regard. Basically every election in my politically aware history has come down to "the economy" and yet conservatives can see all time highs across many metrics and decry something as a "bad economy" and immediately switch positions as soon as their guy is elected even though nothing material has changed around the economy. Just like it was never about the price of eggs in the latest election. The price of eggs is just the most politically correct thing they could latch onto to justify their votes. All talk of egg prices went silent despite the price of eggs continuing to rise. It's almost like something else was the primary issue all along. https://theintercept.com/2018/09/18/2016-election-race-class-trump/ https://theintercept.com/2018/09/18/2016-election-race-class...
  - energy123 2y ago
    Metrics are averages that obscure the heterogeneity of base reality. About 100 million Americans own no significant assets. Metrics that show stonks going up is not lived by these people. They hold some fiat which deteriorated in value and a real wage which has declined because housing inflation is a larger proportion of their expenditure than what the CPI basket has weighted. Housing ownership is further out of reach than ever, while inequality has ballooned because asset owners doubled their wealth due to asset price inflation. So it is accurate that for this subset of people, inflation has been destructive, in an absolute sense but especially in a relative sense. And it's this subset of people that broke for Trump, educational polarization is at an all time high and the racial purity of Trump's base eroded with Hispanics entering the coalition.