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I have an EV (Kia Niro EV 2024). I don't want ever to go back to gas. Reasons: * the driving experience is just much, much better: punch & acceleration, stabi

I have an EV (Kia Niro EV 2024). I don't want ever to go back to gas. Reasons: * the driving experience is just much, much better: punch & acceleration, stability, quietness, etc. * if you charge at home it is a lot cheaper than gas * it is so easy to "fuel": you plug it in when you arrive home and unplug the next morning Edit: also, after I installed solar cells at home, I drive almost for free!

aprilthird2021 2y ago
Also, if you get into an EV now, before everyone else does, you can still enjoy a cheap fueling experience for a little while longer
- cmrdporcupine 2y ago
  I can't see how they can make at home charging more expensive without making all other electricity uses expensive and that will have severe backlash. On the go DC fast charging is already not cheap. It costs as much or more than gas.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    They can mandate separate metering for the charging circuit and tax it to make u p for the lost gasoline taxes.
    - whateveracct 2y ago
      those gasoline taxes currently pay for roads. and EVs put more strain on roads due to their increased weight.
      - gfarah 2y ago
        ICE vs EV difference is negligible compared to 18 wheelers and alike on road strain.
        SoftTalker 2y ago
        And 18 wheelers pay a lot more road tax than passenger cars do.
        gfarah 2y ago
        It's hard to say, considering studies attribute 50% to 98% of road wear to them.
      - sanswork 2y ago
        EVs have heavier batteries and ICEs have heavier engines and drivetrains. Go compare two similar models at most brands and the curb weight will be within 50-100kg. Add in a full tank of gas to the ICE and the will likely weigh about the same.
        whateveracct 2y ago
        I guess it's increased/comparable weight + lack of gas tax. There's definitely something thrown off by EVs and the suggestion to tax charging EVs specifically makes sense.
      - triceratops 2y ago
        > EVs put more strain on roads due to their increased weight Only if you trade in a gasoline SUV for an electric SUV. A hatchback EV weighs about as much as a compact SUV, and is cheaper to buy and operate.
        whateveracct 2y ago
        Right, but it's not apples to apples. And what about all those people driving ICE sedans?
        triceratops 2y ago
        What about them? 10 years ago the best-selling vehicle in the US was a sedan. Today it's a pickup truck. Nobody said boo about road damage. It's a made-up reason to hate on EVs.
        whateveracct 2y ago
        Well if you scroll up to my original point re: gas tax paying for roads, it's not really the same thing. Because trucks also used more gas. EVs don't.
    - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
      "Mandate" how? Unless they're doing expensive mandatory periodic inspections nothing is stopping me from plugging my EVSE into an outlet meant for a welder, dryer, pool pump, etc. And can always charge L1 120v, even if it's unbearably slow.
      - SoftTalker 2y ago
        Most people will have an electrician install a charging station. Sure, some people will dodge it, as they already dodge other building code requirements. Or, they can just tax the car based on some average mileage statistics. That's what my state does. Registering an EV is substantially more expensive than an ICE vehicle.
  - jimbob45 2y ago
    Is it more expensive per mile though with all things considered?
    - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
      Probably not.
      - hedora 2y ago
        We bought a used EV, and I ran the numbers vs. a 20mpg car. The EV will pay for itself in saved gasoline after about 53K miles. That’s not breakeven time; that’s “the car is free” time. Breakeven was less than half that long because the old ICE car would have had non-zero depreciation. Apples-to-apples break even would have been 10-20K miles (ignoring free charging at work), but it ended up being closer to 300 miles. Thanks to a fuel crisis, the price of the EV increased by $5K shortly after I bought it. (It’s back down now.)
        cmrdporcupine 2y ago
        I don't even much care. I couldn't see myself driving back to ICE purely on account of the driving experience. They feel like janky fragile technology from the past with too many moving parts. My car got totalled in September and I had to replace it. Since I didn't drive much at the time I entertained just getting a super cheap old ICE to replace it. Then I started remembering all the annoying maintenance. Still, back to DC fast charging... I use it rarely. But it's not cheap. And it's a shit non-standardized, fragmented experience.
- it_citizen 2y ago
  Also, with time, we can make effort to decarbonize the production chain of EVs. With ICE vehicles, they reject carbon and there are only so many micro-adjustments we can do.
- itishappy 2y ago
  Right, much safer to expect oil and gas to stay consistent because all those EV drivers will be using pure renewable electricity.
dmitrygr 2y ago
Hertz forced me to take a Kia Niro EV as my rental. "We have no other vehicles left, it is a higher class vehicle than the compact you reserved". Like hell it was! Never again! I had plans that involved driving 8 hours each way. Electrify America chargers were all broken. Luckily, CircleK chargers "worked", slowly. An hour and 30 min to go from 10% to 90%. Had to charge twice each way. Time I will never get back. After this experience, I talked to Hertz. There is evidently no way to note "no EV ever" on a reservation. I am avoiding hertz from now on (and dollar/thrifty that they own). Enterprise allows you to note "NO EV" on a rental reservation, and honors it. Until EVs can charge at every corner and in 3 minutes, no thanks! I have places to be, and those places are not "90 minutes on a deserted CircleK parking lot"
- diego_moita 2y ago
  I think you don't want to see it, but if you were willing to do so, here's the point: each usage is different! Each way a person uses a car has different consequences and implications. My charging takes less than 1 minute, really. I arrive at home at 4:30, it takes 20 seconds to plug the car and then 20 more seconds to unplug it the next morning. And what about all the 12 hours between that? Well, I am living my life, I am not charging a car! The car is doing the whole work of charging itself, alone. That's several orders of magnitude better than going to a gas station.
- rgovostes 2y ago
  I deliberately rented a Kia Niro EV on my last work trip for the novelty of driving an electric car since probably 2016. I even insisted when they tried to switch me to another vehicle. Boy, it sucked. Even with a Type 2 charger at work, and maybe 2 miles between the office and my hotel, charging was a huge hassle. And with an ICE vehicle I can refuel before dropping it back off at the airport in about 5 minutes. It's just not practical to recharge my EV after driving 1.5 hours to catch my flight. The only other noteworthy experience was making an adjustment in a parking space and having 2 or 3 alarms going off concurrently without any indication of what they meant. (Excluding the proximity sensor, if memory serves.)
  - 2y ago

aprilthird2021 2y ago

Also, if you get into an EV now, before everyone else does, you can still enjoy a cheap fueling experience for a little while longer

cmrdporcupine 2y ago
I can't see how they can make at home charging more expensive without making all other electricity uses expensive and that will have severe backlash. On the go DC fast charging is already not cheap. It costs as much or more than gas.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  They can mandate separate metering for the charging circuit and tax it to make u p for the lost gasoline taxes.
  - whateveracct 2y ago
    those gasoline taxes currently pay for roads. and EVs put more strain on roads due to their increased weight.
    - gfarah 2y ago
      ICE vs EV difference is negligible compared to 18 wheelers and alike on road strain.
      - SoftTalker 2y ago
        And 18 wheelers pay a lot more road tax than passenger cars do.
        gfarah 2y ago
        It's hard to say, considering studies attribute 50% to 98% of road wear to them.
    - sanswork 2y ago
      EVs have heavier batteries and ICEs have heavier engines and drivetrains. Go compare two similar models at most brands and the curb weight will be within 50-100kg. Add in a full tank of gas to the ICE and the will likely weigh about the same.
      - whateveracct 2y ago
        I guess it's increased/comparable weight + lack of gas tax. There's definitely something thrown off by EVs and the suggestion to tax charging EVs specifically makes sense.
    - triceratops 2y ago
      > EVs put more strain on roads due to their increased weight Only if you trade in a gasoline SUV for an electric SUV. A hatchback EV weighs about as much as a compact SUV, and is cheaper to buy and operate.
      - whateveracct 2y ago
        Right, but it's not apples to apples. And what about all those people driving ICE sedans?
        triceratops 2y ago
        What about them? 10 years ago the best-selling vehicle in the US was a sedan. Today it's a pickup truck. Nobody said boo about road damage. It's a made-up reason to hate on EVs.
        whateveracct 2y ago
        Well if you scroll up to my original point re: gas tax paying for roads, it's not really the same thing. Because trucks also used more gas. EVs don't.
  - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
    "Mandate" how? Unless they're doing expensive mandatory periodic inspections nothing is stopping me from plugging my EVSE into an outlet meant for a welder, dryer, pool pump, etc. And can always charge L1 120v, even if it's unbearably slow.
    - SoftTalker 2y ago
      Most people will have an electrician install a charging station. Sure, some people will dodge it, as they already dodge other building code requirements. Or, they can just tax the car based on some average mileage statistics. That's what my state does. Registering an EV is substantially more expensive than an ICE vehicle.
- jimbob45 2y ago
  Is it more expensive per mile though with all things considered?
  - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
    Probably not.
    - hedora 2y ago
      We bought a used EV, and I ran the numbers vs. a 20mpg car. The EV will pay for itself in saved gasoline after about 53K miles. That’s not breakeven time; that’s “the car is free” time. Breakeven was less than half that long because the old ICE car would have had non-zero depreciation. Apples-to-apples break even would have been 10-20K miles (ignoring free charging at work), but it ended up being closer to 300 miles. Thanks to a fuel crisis, the price of the EV increased by $5K shortly after I bought it. (It’s back down now.)
      - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
        I don't even much care. I couldn't see myself driving back to ICE purely on account of the driving experience. They feel like janky fragile technology from the past with too many moving parts. My car got totalled in September and I had to replace it. Since I didn't drive much at the time I entertained just getting a super cheap old ICE to replace it. Then I started remembering all the annoying maintenance. Still, back to DC fast charging... I use it rarely. But it's not cheap. And it's a shit non-standardized, fragmented experience.
it_citizen 2y ago
Also, with time, we can make effort to decarbonize the production chain of EVs. With ICE vehicles, they reject carbon and there are only so many micro-adjustments we can do.
itishappy 2y ago
Right, much safer to expect oil and gas to stay consistent because all those EV drivers will be using pure renewable electricity.

dmitrygr 2y ago

Hertz forced me to take a Kia Niro EV as my rental. "We have no other vehicles left, it is a higher class vehicle than the compact you reserved". Like hell it was! Never again! I had plans that involved driving 8 hours each way. Electrify America chargers were all broken. Luckily, CircleK chargers "worked", slowly. An hour and 30 min to go from 10% to 90%. Had to charge twice each way. Time I will never get back. After this experience, I talked to Hertz. There is evidently no way to note "no EV ever" on a reservation. I am avoiding hertz from now on (and dollar/thrifty that they own). Enterprise allows you to note "NO EV" on a rental reservation, and honors it. Until EVs can charge at every corner and in 3 minutes, no thanks! I have places to be, and those places are not "90 minutes on a deserted CircleK parking lot"

diego_moita 2y ago
I think you don't want to see it, but if you were willing to do so, here's the point: each usage is different! Each way a person uses a car has different consequences and implications. My charging takes less than 1 minute, really. I arrive at home at 4:30, it takes 20 seconds to plug the car and then 20 more seconds to unplug it the next morning. And what about all the 12 hours between that? Well, I am living my life, I am not charging a car! The car is doing the whole work of charging itself, alone. That's several orders of magnitude better than going to a gas station.
rgovostes 2y ago
I deliberately rented a Kia Niro EV on my last work trip for the novelty of driving an electric car since probably 2016. I even insisted when they tried to switch me to another vehicle. Boy, it sucked. Even with a Type 2 charger at work, and maybe 2 miles between the office and my hotel, charging was a huge hassle. And with an ICE vehicle I can refuel before dropping it back off at the airport in about 5 minutes. It's just not practical to recharge my EV after driving 1.5 hours to catch my flight. The only other noteworthy experience was making an adjustment in a parking space and having 2 or 3 alarms going off concurrently without any indication of what they meant. (Excluding the proximity sensor, if memory serves.)
- 2y ago