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You are going to freak out when you find out how many birds are killed by buildings generally. But you might want to sit down before i tell you how many are ki
by cam_l 2y ago
You are going to freak out when you find out how many birds are killed by buildings generally.
But you might want to sit down before i tell you how many are killed by cats.
- lenkite 2y agoThat number is a heavy under-estimate and deliberately lowered for public consumption. But, you might want to sit down - The real slaughter is well in the millions annually.
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- manquer 2y agoAnd all of those numbers pale in comparison in how we cruelly we treat birds used in the food supply chain (eggs, chicken etc). The recent kurzsesagt video is a great intro to the topic ( https://youtu.be/5sVfTPaxRwk https://youtu.be/5sVfTPaxRwk)
- tsimionescu 2y agoThis is completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand. Wild bird populations are potentially at risk, and extinction of a population has massive ecological consequences. Commercially raised chickens and the horrors they are exposed to are completely unrelated to that.
- tempfile 2y agoI would hardly call it "utterly irrelevant" that in a discussion about "killing birds is bad" someone mentions that it is not usually considered bad to kill birds for food.
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- tsimionescu 2y agoKilling wild birds accidentally is completely different from raising and bucthering birds for food, from virtually any point of view I can imagine. People who have no problem with eating meat will still not find it OK to kill a pet pig, and might still consider sport hunting wild boars to be barbaric.
- tempfile 2y ago"completely different" and "utterly irrelevant" are not the same thing. They also aren't completely different. They have things in common (killing and harming birds). You're trying to turn "I don't care about that" into "it's logically incorrect to care about that" which is not a game you can win.
- manquer 2y agoLife is still life, pain(not only death) caused needlessly whether windmills or in factory farms is still cruel. Birds are intelligent, curious, emotional, they are social animals and get depressed. Other attributes the bird may have (wild/bred) or species (rare/common) has no bearing on the pain and kind of death they suffer. The importance of those attributes is lens we see from, it does not change their suffering. > People who have no problem with eating meat will still not find it OK to kill a pet pig It doesn't make it acceptable to view life raised for food[2] as a lesser (therefore ok to be tortured) than other life because they are pets, merely because it is common practice. How is it different than valuing human life was valued differently in age of slavery or even today if you say correlate level of aid, support, news coverage or empathy to simple numbers on human conflict impact[1]. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-in-armed-conflicts-by-region?time=2014..latest https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-in-armed-conflicts... [2] The argument here is not becoming vegetarian, it is about not torturing needlessly what we need to eat. The human equivalent is akin to not following Geneva conventions in a war not abolish war altogether, while ideal everyone agrees is not practical today.
- abenga 2y ago> massive ecological consequences As opposed to the minimal ecological consequences continuing to burn fossil fuels are currently yielding you mean?
- giantg2 2y agoThe real issue seems to be that they might kill protected birds more often than buildings or cats, which seem to kill smaller common species (usually of lesser concern).