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I like em.
by cr__ 2y ago
I like em.
- giantg2 2y ago[flagged]
- thinkingtoilet 2y agoWhere do you think coal and oil comes from? It's ok as long as other people's environment is destroyed for non-renewable energy but not your environment for renewable energy?
- giantg2 2y agoLol, they used to mine coal under that very mountain (until it was outsourced). It's not like we have some insular life. The region is economically depressed. People would rather have jobs while destroying the environment than not have jobs while destroying the environment and recreational value simultaneously.
- kibwen 2y ago[flagged]
- roenxi 2y agoHave they ever used that technique in the UK? I don't think the UK has mountains suitable for mountaintop removal - they are famous for their underground operations. I've always filed mountaintop removal mining as one of those "weird things Americans do" approaches. Probably associated with unusual geology or something.
- giantg2 2y agoI think the UK had the none-mountainous version of strip mining - open pit mines. I think there aren't any in operation currently, and I'm unsure if they were for coal or just other commodities.
- nkali 2y agoEven if not, the collieries in Wales, built on top of coal shafts, were quite industrial-looking/landscape-runining. https://museum.wales/articles/1260/Nantgarw-Colliery---once-the-deepest-coal-mine-in-south-Wales/ https://museum.wales/articles/1260/Nantgarw-Colliery---once-...
- 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 2y agoWe used the technique until we ran out of mountains, hence current lack of mountains.
- giantg2 2y ago[flagged]
- marliechiller 2y agoand all of them are horrendously bad for the environment, the end.
- giantg2 2y agoAs are the wind turbines with there non-recyclable blades and bird kills.
- triceratops 2y ago> People would rather have jobs Who do you think puts up windmills and solar panels?
- giantg2 2y agoIn the case I personally know of, they brought in offshore workers. It also only generates reasonable numbers of jobs during initial construction.
- triceratops 2y ago> offshore workers Also people who need jobs. And that's just the case you personally know of. Maybe people should retrain instead of pining for jobs of the past. And we should support them in the transition as much as possible . > only generates reasonable numbers of jobs during initial construction We're gonna need a lot of initial construction though.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoSure why not? Maybe it's a geographical/cultural difference, but there are so, so many mountains in the western US. it's a good part of why the game Oregan Trail was made. Before carving roads around and through mountains it was a truly treacherous journey. US also jury has so much land to begin with. We can certainly afford to retrofit a few mountains without fundamentally disrupting the ecosystem. We're very bad at moderation, sadly.
- triceratops 2y agoWhen is that?
- alabastervlog 2y agoThey're one of the only pieces of technology that I think often (not always) improve the appearance of a landscape. Maybe also lighthouses. Sometimes.
- giantg2 2y agoLighthouses have only become aesthetic because of their rarity rendering them as quaint or nostalgic. Modern versions and their impacts would be largely protested.
- Nasrudith 2y agoI suspect the real reason behind objections to technology being visible is basically "It makes me feel old by highlighting that I came from a time before X and now everyone will just become accustomed to X!".
- Propelloni 2y agoAnd I'm like "whoa, I'm living in the future!" It's awesome!
- walthamstow 2y agoPeople forget that the natural landscape of Britain is forest. The enclosed fields people think are natural countryside are in fact an entirely human creation.
- dontlaugh 2y agoEcologically, it is basically barren.
- xaldir 2y agoWhat? Pastures? Grassland are actually good for biodiversity.
- Myrmornis 2y agoI'm sorry you're saying people think agricultural fields are natural vegetation?
- walthamstow 2y agoYes. The gently rolling fields of grass, sheep, rape and wheat are considered a national symbol of our natural environment in need of protection from dastardly human creations such as wind turbines. This is the 'green and pleasant land' that William Blake wrote about.
- rsynnott 2y agoI’m not sure anyone consciously thinks that, but the kind of nostalgic “old England” thing is big on fields and grass, not so much forest.
- milesrout 2y agoThe "natural landscape" is a pretty meaningless concept in Britain. Are moors not natural landscapes because they were formed hundreds or thousands of years ago? Is it natural when animals do something but not when humans do it? Or is it natural when hunter gatherers do something but not when agriculturalists do it? Or is it natural when non-industrial people do it, but not when industrialists do it? And why does your chosen definition matter? Is the natural landscape better than human-modified landscapes? Is a change always fine if the starting point was created by humans? If you replaced the ancient figures carved into the chalk in England with wind farms would that be fine because they arent natural features?