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You ain't seen nothing yet. In a few short weeks, Trump imploded the fundamental US brand from good to um, pretty much pure evil. We are untrustworthy backstab

You ain't seen nothing yet. In a few short weeks, Trump imploded the fundamental US brand from good to um, pretty much pure evil. We are untrustworthy backstabbers. Rightly so, people hate us now; they are literally burning the American flag all over the world. USA products and services are toxic items. Not that we make much money off the travel industry, but you'd have to be a complete idiot to vacation in (or really even travel to) the US now. It's going to get really ugly; I don't think people get it yet.

vladms 2y ago
I think in various parts of the world people were already quite negative towards US. What happens now though is that some other countries will have second thoughts. I hope enough people can distinguish between one administration and "the people", but trust is hard to gain and easy to loose, so yes, some things will get harder.
- jghn 2y ago
  The US was already granted its mulligan in 2020. And then 4 years later the populace went and double down on all of this. It won't be so easy going forward.
- jajko 2y ago
  Countries? My friend right now add there all former US allies, including whole Europe and both your neighbors. Maybe gaining some new like guy from Argentina, Saudis with their murderous chieftain, and of course lets not forget biggest country on Earth by landmass. US is a bully, and extremely unreliable one. We're in a no-trust era now. You will find some sympathizers of him everywhere of course, they mainly align with russian war supporters, at least in Europe. No surprises. All this could reverse eventually but I just don't see it happening. 4 years is painfully long period and things will change forever, and I suspect not in ways 'architects' wish for. God I desperately hope we have at least some leaders with balls in Europe now that can steer adaptation to new situation quickly. We have massive potential at least matching current US one, but incorrect ideology for these times. And I suspect in 4 years situation won't change dramatically, if at all. Remember those times that were, and how they were, how world was. I slightly feels like when 60s hippie era died and one Hunter S. Thompson quote comes to mind.
  - morkalork 2y ago
    I'm reading his book Hell's Angels: A Strange and Terrible Saga right now and there's an uncanny resemblance to present day in his comments about both the media and the ignorant, violent and societally useless men with deep-seated masculinity issues who became the Hells Angels (or MAGA as it is now).
- zamalek 2y ago
  > I hope enough people can distinguish between one administration and "the people" "The people" voted for this administration precisely because of its xenophobic stance. Nearly half of us didn't want this, but we're going out the bathwater regardless: the majority and the administration are in agreement, and that's the correct perspective to have on the situation.
lpapez 2y ago
I'm sorry to break the news to you, but for a large section of the world population (especially in the global South), the US was the villain for a long time before Trump came along - and I don't mean only in the "evil empire" countries. Trump only managed to spread this sentiment into the West, where it wasn't dominant so far, and sow doubts among formerly close allies.
- skyyler 2y ago
  If the US being a villain to most of the world is a surprising concept to you, I highly suggest you read about the original 9/11 in Chile.
- LastTrain 2y ago
  Sure but we are talking about economics, and now the list includes our two biggest trading partners. Why he thinks making every day Canadians hate us is good strategy is beyond me.
mikevm 2y ago
Europeans don't like Americans, but are happy for Uncle Sam to bankroll their defense while they take 4-6 week summer vacations, retire at 60 with pension, have free education and throw away welfare on illegal migrants. Maybe it's time to cut down the $700+B/year of spending on NATO and let the proud Europeans pick up the slack?
- timeon 2y ago
  > bankroll their defense Like post 9/11 Article 5 or Afghanistan or Iraq? Also decent amount of European defense budget went to US manufacturers. This will probably change with de-facto end of NATO.
  - mountainstar 2y ago
    True but still a massive net gain for America. The irony is, as the Founders knew, America can actually afford to basically not even have a standing army, it's a massive, heavily civilian armed continental sized country with weak neighbours and an ocean either side. So logically Europe should have a far larger defence budget than America.
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  We both know that US wanted to do it, because that’s how you become the global soft-power and have influence on every other nation. Also, it’s not the fault of Europe that Americans don’t want free education, pension, 4-6 week summer vacations and etc. You’re trying to find a reason why quality of life is worse in the states, compared to Europe and some Asian countries. However, you’re not willing to blame yourselves, and will keep finding an excuse. Most of people who say the same thing at the same time call Europeans “poor, no growth, no ambition” citizens. And that’s ok. But you can’t have it both ways, you know. Go enjoy your richness or growing stock market.
  - mikevm 2y ago
    Europeans went wild with their social welfare spending so badly that now they need to import 3rd worlders because they have too many people who are on the government dole and not enough young people to pay into the system. Quite ironically, these "guests" are ending up eating away further from the welfare system and repaying their hosts with terrorism, as was recently seen, and will continue to be seen. Also, it's easy to have social welfare when you have a homogeneous high-trust society... The more migrants the EU lets in, the more you see the whole thing deteriorate. There's no such thing as "free" anyway, it's always paid by someone else. Pension at 60 is unsustainable, free education just devalues it, making it harder to fire people makes it harder to hire people, etc... Europe is in economic decline, it's in population decline (as many other western nations btw), it's becoming more authoritarian (the UK prolly arrests more people for social media posts than Russia nowadays), and it's failing to compete on the world stage.
tim333 2y ago
As a Brit I'm more negative about Trump/Musk than the US as a whole. That's probably true of much of the world.

vladms 2y ago

I think in various parts of the world people were already quite negative towards US. What happens now though is that some other countries will have second thoughts. I hope enough people can distinguish between one administration and "the people", but trust is hard to gain and easy to loose, so yes, some things will get harder.

jghn 2y ago
The US was already granted its mulligan in 2020. And then 4 years later the populace went and double down on all of this. It won't be so easy going forward.
jajko 2y ago
Countries? My friend right now add there all former US allies, including whole Europe and both your neighbors. Maybe gaining some new like guy from Argentina, Saudis with their murderous chieftain, and of course lets not forget biggest country on Earth by landmass. US is a bully, and extremely unreliable one. We're in a no-trust era now. You will find some sympathizers of him everywhere of course, they mainly align with russian war supporters, at least in Europe. No surprises. All this could reverse eventually but I just don't see it happening. 4 years is painfully long period and things will change forever, and I suspect not in ways 'architects' wish for. God I desperately hope we have at least some leaders with balls in Europe now that can steer adaptation to new situation quickly. We have massive potential at least matching current US one, but incorrect ideology for these times. And I suspect in 4 years situation won't change dramatically, if at all. Remember those times that were, and how they were, how world was. I slightly feels like when 60s hippie era died and one Hunter S. Thompson quote comes to mind.
- morkalork 2y ago
  I'm reading his book Hell's Angels: A Strange and Terrible Saga right now and there's an uncanny resemblance to present day in his comments about both the media and the ignorant, violent and societally useless men with deep-seated masculinity issues who became the Hells Angels (or MAGA as it is now).
zamalek 2y ago
> I hope enough people can distinguish between one administration and "the people" "The people" voted for this administration precisely because of its xenophobic stance. Nearly half of us didn't want this, but we're going out the bathwater regardless: the majority and the administration are in agreement, and that's the correct perspective to have on the situation.

lpapez 2y ago

I'm sorry to break the news to you, but for a large section of the world population (especially in the global South), the US was the villain for a long time before Trump came along - and I don't mean only in the "evil empire" countries. Trump only managed to spread this sentiment into the West, where it wasn't dominant so far, and sow doubts among formerly close allies.

skyyler 2y ago
If the US being a villain to most of the world is a surprising concept to you, I highly suggest you read about the original 9/11 in Chile.
LastTrain 2y ago
Sure but we are talking about economics, and now the list includes our two biggest trading partners. Why he thinks making every day Canadians hate us is good strategy is beyond me.

mikevm 2y ago

Europeans don't like Americans, but are happy for Uncle Sam to bankroll their defense while they take 4-6 week summer vacations, retire at 60 with pension, have free education and throw away welfare on illegal migrants. Maybe it's time to cut down the $700+B/year of spending on NATO and let the proud Europeans pick up the slack?

timeon 2y ago
> bankroll their defense Like post 9/11 Article 5 or Afghanistan or Iraq? Also decent amount of European defense budget went to US manufacturers. This will probably change with de-facto end of NATO.
- mountainstar 2y ago
  True but still a massive net gain for America. The irony is, as the Founders knew, America can actually afford to basically not even have a standing army, it's a massive, heavily civilian armed continental sized country with weak neighbours and an ocean either side. So logically Europe should have a far larger defence budget than America.
tokioyoyo 2y ago
We both know that US wanted to do it, because that’s how you become the global soft-power and have influence on every other nation. Also, it’s not the fault of Europe that Americans don’t want free education, pension, 4-6 week summer vacations and etc. You’re trying to find a reason why quality of life is worse in the states, compared to Europe and some Asian countries. However, you’re not willing to blame yourselves, and will keep finding an excuse. Most of people who say the same thing at the same time call Europeans “poor, no growth, no ambition” citizens. And that’s ok. But you can’t have it both ways, you know. Go enjoy your richness or growing stock market.
- mikevm 2y ago
  Europeans went wild with their social welfare spending so badly that now they need to import 3rd worlders because they have too many people who are on the government dole and not enough young people to pay into the system. Quite ironically, these "guests" are ending up eating away further from the welfare system and repaying their hosts with terrorism, as was recently seen, and will continue to be seen. Also, it's easy to have social welfare when you have a homogeneous high-trust society... The more migrants the EU lets in, the more you see the whole thing deteriorate. There's no such thing as "free" anyway, it's always paid by someone else. Pension at 60 is unsustainable, free education just devalues it, making it harder to fire people makes it harder to hire people, etc... Europe is in economic decline, it's in population decline (as many other western nations btw), it's becoming more authoritarian (the UK prolly arrests more people for social media posts than Russia nowadays), and it's failing to compete on the world stage.

tim333 2y ago

As a Brit I'm more negative about Trump/Musk than the US as a whole. That's probably true of much of the world.