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Seems there's a case to be made for SAP to alter any future contracts of that nature to contain a clause that if you're leaving for a serious breach you get not

Seems there's a case to be made for SAP to alter any future contracts of that nature to contain a clause that if you're leaving for a serious breach you get nothing. Willy Wonka style.

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lazide 2y ago
Meh, seems unlikely this would really count as a serious breach.
csours 2y ago
"Don't go away angry, just go away" It's entirely possible that it's cheaper than a lawsuit and potential further reputational harm. Perverse incentive alert: If you want to fire an exec cheaply, just do an internal honey pot.
- Horffupolde 2y ago
  Or better: external, and make him resign.
- chowells 2y ago
  Any competent exec should be able to logically weigh the consequences of their actions. If something will get them fired and they choose to do it anyway, they deserve to be fired. That's not a perverse incentive, it's weeding out incompetents.
  - codr7 2y ago
    What does competence have to do with anything here? Certain people are not fit to be leaders, because they have abusive personality disorders; unfortunately many of them currently are in leadership positions.
dboreham 2y ago
Then no white teeth smile execs would ever take a job there.
kelnos 2y ago
Unfortunately since these sorts of arrangements are pretty standard nowadays, companies that don't include them will be at a disadvantage when looking to hire executives. So this is unlikely to change.
- lenerdenator 2y ago
  I love how, idk, 5000 years into civilization we, as a species, still can't consistently find ways to keep psychopaths from screwing the rest of us without them getting enough resources to last the majority of people in a given society a lifetime.
  - rixed 2y ago
    The more a position is competitive and the more likelly it is a psychopath will have it. Think of it this way: to be a piano teacher, you have to be good at piano and good at competing with other teachers. The hard part is becoming good at piano. The fact that there are other piano teachers in the vincinity does not really prevent anyone to establish himself as a new one. So, it's not very competitive. To be the CTO of a fortune 500 though, you must be good at whatever skill is needed of a CTO but you also have to fight hard against all others candidates. So the position is very competitive. If you reach it, it's mostly because you are good at competing for a rare position; it is secondary whether you are technicaly better or not. Psychopaths, because they feel no shame and no remorse, are much better than average at competing.
    - lenerdenator 2y ago
      I wonder if you could solve that by having a lottery for all of the people who get a job as a part of a C-suite in, idk, the Fortune 500. Each year at random, one gets selected for having all of their earthly possessions removed from their control. Now, that's a population of over 1000 people, so your odds of becoming utterly destitute aren't high, but they're not zero.
  - akudha 2y ago
    You gotta be willing to be an arsehole to some level at least, to reach upper levels of management. It is no surprise that most leaders in big companies are some levels of psychos. I don’t think someone like Mr.Rogers can run SAP, no matter how brilliant they are
hankman86 2y ago
Bad leaver clauses are difficult to enforce. What this person has done may not be an undisputed breach of company policy. More like what observers would consider subjectively unethical conduct that is potentially damaging to the company’s reputation. But which a court may not see as something that voids early termination bonus payouts. On the bottom line, the €7m cash payout is a rounding error on the company’s balance sheet. And now it is off the books and will not trouble them and create negative headlines for a protracted period of litigation in court.

Seems there's a case to be made for SAP to alter any future contracts of that nature to contain a clause that if you're leaving for a serious breach you get nothing. Willy Wonka style.

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lazide 2y ago

Meh, seems unlikely this would really count as a serious breach.

csours 2y ago

"Don't go away angry, just go away" It's entirely possible that it's cheaper than a lawsuit and potential further reputational harm. Perverse incentive alert: If you want to fire an exec cheaply, just do an internal honey pot.

Horffupolde 2y ago
Or better: external, and make him resign.
chowells 2y ago
Any competent exec should be able to logically weigh the consequences of their actions. If something will get them fired and they choose to do it anyway, they deserve to be fired. That's not a perverse incentive, it's weeding out incompetents.
- codr7 2y ago
  What does competence have to do with anything here? Certain people are not fit to be leaders, because they have abusive personality disorders; unfortunately many of them currently are in leadership positions.

dboreham 2y ago

Then no white teeth smile execs would ever take a job there.

kelnos 2y ago

Unfortunately since these sorts of arrangements are pretty standard nowadays, companies that don't include them will be at a disadvantage when looking to hire executives. So this is unlikely to change.

lenerdenator 2y ago
I love how, idk, 5000 years into civilization we, as a species, still can't consistently find ways to keep psychopaths from screwing the rest of us without them getting enough resources to last the majority of people in a given society a lifetime.
- rixed 2y ago
  The more a position is competitive and the more likelly it is a psychopath will have it. Think of it this way: to be a piano teacher, you have to be good at piano and good at competing with other teachers. The hard part is becoming good at piano. The fact that there are other piano teachers in the vincinity does not really prevent anyone to establish himself as a new one. So, it's not very competitive. To be the CTO of a fortune 500 though, you must be good at whatever skill is needed of a CTO but you also have to fight hard against all others candidates. So the position is very competitive. If you reach it, it's mostly because you are good at competing for a rare position; it is secondary whether you are technicaly better or not. Psychopaths, because they feel no shame and no remorse, are much better than average at competing.
  - lenerdenator 2y ago
    I wonder if you could solve that by having a lottery for all of the people who get a job as a part of a C-suite in, idk, the Fortune 500. Each year at random, one gets selected for having all of their earthly possessions removed from their control. Now, that's a population of over 1000 people, so your odds of becoming utterly destitute aren't high, but they're not zero.
- akudha 2y ago
  You gotta be willing to be an arsehole to some level at least, to reach upper levels of management. It is no surprise that most leaders in big companies are some levels of psychos. I don’t think someone like Mr.Rogers can run SAP, no matter how brilliant they are

hankman86 2y ago

Bad leaver clauses are difficult to enforce. What this person has done may not be an undisputed breach of company policy. More like what observers would consider subjectively unethical conduct that is potentially damaging to the company’s reputation. But which a court may not see as something that voids early termination bonus payouts. On the bottom line, the €7m cash payout is a rounding error on the company’s balance sheet. And now it is off the books and will not trouble them and create negative headlines for a protracted period of litigation in court.