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One Logo, Three Companies

121 points by ghc 2y ago

soamv 2y ago
This leaves me with more questions than answers, how did these three companies come up with the idea of using that logo? Did they just independently arrive at same design (seems unlikely)? And how did the trademark registration process go for the second and third companies that registered it?
- dmurray 2y ago
  It's mentioned in TFA that it comes from the Mitsubishi family crest. So the logo is conceptually much older than any of their registrations.
  - yellers 2y ago
    Well I’m glad that TFA really explains the connection between Jinroku Masaki and the Mitsubishi family crest because otherwise I’d still be confused. (Or maybe it’s a westerner thing expecting the name of the founder to match the crests family in name)
    - suspended_state 2y ago
      The company history page on the corporate web site of Mitsubishi Pencils provides a reason behind the name: https://www.mpuni.co.jp/en/company/history.html https://www.mpuni.co.jp/en/company/history.html It's not clear why the 3 companies got the right to use the same logo. Perhaps they could each demonstrate that they used that logo before Japanese law required for it to be formally submitted for trademark?
      - limitedfrom 2y ago
        See my reply up on the original question.
- Etheryte 2y ago
  Turns out they used to be one conglomerate, but World War II changed that [0]: > The Mitsubishi Group traces its origins to the Mitsubishi zaibatsu, a unified company that existed from 1870 to 1946. The company, along with other major zaibatsu, was disbanded during the occupation of Japan following World War II by the order of the Allies. Despite the dissolution, the former constituent companies continue to share the Mitsubishi brand and trademark. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi
  - abhorrence 2y ago
    The pencil company referenced in the article does not appear to have been part of the Mitsubishi zaibatsu however.
    - netsharc 2y ago
      I used to think it's cool the same company makes a pencil and an F-16 derivative ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2 ), but alas, the pencilmaker is not the same company. Mitsubishi also makes the world's most expensive toaster: https://youtu.be/Lq3iwWaoU7w https://youtu.be/Lq3iwWaoU7w
  - nguyenkien 2y ago
    Not the case here. These 3 corp are unrelated (Excerpt for the name, logo). Did you even read the blog post or the wikipedia article you post?
  - tecleandor 2y ago
    I'm tempted to write an small blogpost about this one with some explanations, as that blogpost is a bit old :D but there's a couple things I found in this rabbit hole I fell: First, as some of you have noted, the 三 kanji means 'three' [0] and Mitsubishi means 'three diamonds' [1]. Hence, the traditional family crest from the Mitsubishi family. The concrete origin can be found around here [2] Mitsubishi Pencil is the first one registering the three diamond logo, in 1903 [3]. Mitsubishi zaibatsu logo was thinner and a bit different then [4]. During the occupation of Japan after WWII, the Allied Powers (GHQ) ordered dismantling the zaibatsu and stopping using the Mitsui and Mitsubishi brands (among others) [5]. Mitsubishi Pencil was not part of the zaibatsu, but using the same name, it was in risk of disappearing. After negotiations by their president with the GHQ they were allowed to keep it if they indicated that they're not part of the zaibatsu [6]. Back in the fifties you could see "non-zaibatsu" under their logo in their products. [7] The 'Mitsubishi Cider' made by Konyusha doesn't exist anymore but its trademark was registered by Mazda Kogyo (now Mazda Total Solutions) in 1919. No, not THAT Mazda, a different Mazda (Matsuda/Mazda is a Japanese surname, so, more confusion :D) Mazda Kogyo would have contracted Konyusha to manufacture and sell the product in 1919 [8]. In 2014 Mazda Kogyo transfered the brand to Mitsubishi Corporation while Konyusha was still manufacturing it, and in 2015 they changed their name to Mazda Total Solutions [9]. Haven't totally understood their message, but I think Mazda Total Solutions has ceased operations as of today [10]. Konyusha stopped manufacturing and selling the cider in 2017 [11]. I've seen somewhere that could be related to the Kumamoto earthquake of 2016, as that Konyusha's location. Fun fact, there's is a cider named "Mitsuya Cider" [12] that has a similar logo, but with "arrows" instead of diamonds. When it started, as a carbonated water brand in the 1880s, it was part of the Mitsubishi zaibatsu, but it was split from the company a couple years later [13]. -- 0: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%B8%89#Japanese 1: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%B8%89%E8%8F%B1#Etymology_2 2: https://www.mitsubishielectric.co.jp/corporate/gaiyo/history/logo/ 3: https://mpuni.net/en/company/history.html 4: https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Mitsubishi 5: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%B2%A1%E9%96%A5%E8%A7%A3%E4%BD%93 6: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jp/kenjiando/mitsubishi-pencil 7: https://jaa2100.org/entry/detail/035688.html 8: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BC%98%E4%B9%B3%E8%88%8E#%E4%B8%89%E8%8F%B1%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6 9: https://matsudats.com/#history 10: https://matsudats.com/#message 11: https://web.archive.org/web/20171031110949/http://konyusha.co.jp/%e4%b8%89%e8%8f%b1%e3%82%b5%e3%82%a4%e3%83%80%e3%83%bc%e8%b2%a9%e5%a3%b2%e7%b5%82%e4%ba%86%e3%81%ae%e3%81%8a%e7%9f%a5%e3%82%89%e3%81%9b/ 12: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsuya_Cider 13: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%89%E3%83%84%E7%9F%A2%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC
- chychiu 2y ago
  The Kanji for Mitsubishi is 三菱, which literally means “three rhombus”. It is possible that they were independently invented, but the hypothesis on family crest crossovers still feels more likely
  - madcaptenor 2y ago
    Independent invention seems unlikely to me - there are different colors, different ways to arrange the three rhombi, etc.
    - giraffe_lady 2y ago
      The design is much older in east asia, I've seen it on 19th century textiles and pottery for sure but I suspect it goes back a lot more than that. The shape is somehow associated with the name mitsubishi, possibly through visual or phonetic punning that is common in pictogram-based writing systems and tonal languages. Mitsubishi the name is more widespread than this one family or this group of companies, and the symbol appears to have long associated with the name per se rather than this specific mitsubishi. Mitsu sounds like three, I don't know what the rhombus connection is. That shade of red has a specific proper name in japanese (think like alice blue in english) and has long been associated with japan by the japanese. I don't think any of this is a coincidence there's a connection between all this stuff. But I don't know what it is and I don't think the article author does either.
      - Terr_ 2y ago
        > a specific proper name in japanese (think like alice blue in english) I hadn't heard of that one [0], the example that comes to mind is "Canary Yellow", but I suppose that's not so bound up to a specific cultural history. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_blue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_blue
      - andrekandre 2y ago
        > pictogram-based writing i think you might mean ideogram-based?
- limitedfrom 2y ago
  These pages[0][1] has more details. The families had three different emblems to start. The zaibatsu came up with the now famous three diamond design in in 1873[2], but there were no trademark laws until 1884, and many companies proceeded to use the logo. The pencil company first registered this in 1903. The zaibatsu finally got to it in 1914, but the earlier filing by the pencil company was honoured. As for the cider company, sounds like they've been selling it like it since 1913[2], but registered it in 1919? My guess is that since it was a regional product with the product type in the name that's already established (like [3]), they allowed it. [0] https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%80%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A4 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3... (translated: https://ja-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%80%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A4?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://ja-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%...) [1] https://www.buzzfeed.com/jp/kenjiando/mitsubishi-pencil https://www.buzzfeed.com/jp/kenjiando/mitsubishi-pencil [2] https://www.mitsubishi.com/ja/series/yataro/11/ https://www.mitsubishi.com/ja/series/yataro/11/ [3] https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9C%B0%E5%9F%9F%E5%9B%A3%E4%BD%93%E5%95%86%E6%A8%99 https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9C%B0%E5%9F%9F%E5%9B%A3%...
  - ghc 2y ago
    Thank you! I knew there must be some logical explanation beyond coincidence.
- killingtime74 2y ago
  Trademarks are for certain product or service categories not blanket economy wide
- seanhunter 2y ago
  They also didn't. Mufg's logo is like a venn diagram with a dot in it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUFG_Bank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUFG_Bank
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johng 2y ago
I first heard the word Kereitsu in the movie Rising Sun with Sean Connery and Wesley Snipes. The movie involves large Japanese corporations and this word is used a lot. It's a great movie, well worth watching -- though I have no idea how accurate it is. It depicts large Japanese corporations vying for an American technology company. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107969/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_in_0_q_rising%2520sun https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107969/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8...
- airstrike 2y ago
  Love that movie!
- bitwize 2y ago
  I mainly associate that movie with Sean Connery's lecture on the senpai-kohai relationship in which, being Sean Connery, he pronounced "senpai" like "shenpai". Rising Sun in both novel and film forms were written in a time of strong anti-Japanese sentiment, in which there was considerable fear that Japanese companies would gobble up American assets (real estate, businesses, etc.) till there was no domestic industry left. Japan really was the China of the 1980s. Of course, things didn't really stay that way; the Japanese economy stagnated but the popularity of Japanese media like anime, manga, and video games helped foster more positive relations between Japan and the West (especially the USA). Take Rising Sun as a "product of its time" and it's really quite enjoyable. The keiretsu are actually groups of related companies that cooperate, often around a central bank which is the core of the keiretsu. They are usually descendants of zaibatsu, which were the huge dynastic companies that were broken up after WWII, although some "new keiretsu", like Seven & i Holdings which administers, among other things, 7-Eleven's Japanese locations, have emerged.
  - phonon 2y ago
    > Seven & i Holdings Which is about to be bought out by Canada's Alimentation Couche-Tard (Circle K)!
tobr 2y ago
Reminds me of Yamaha, pianos and motorcycles sharing name and logo.
- Hamuko 2y ago
  With the motorcycles having tuning forks in the logo, despite having nothing to do with motor vehicles.
  - tobr 2y ago
    Motorcycle forks look rather similar, though.
- Lio 2y ago
  I beleive that Yamaha Motor Co was spun out of Yamaha Corp. So they share the same logo because they were once one company. This is not too unheard of even in the West. Rolls Royce Motor Cars is owned by BMW but they just bought use of the name. The old Rolls Royce Motors who used to make the cars was sold to VW (but not the name). Rolls Royce Holdings Plc., the defence and aerospace firm, actually own the name but don't make cars. Clear as mud.
  - bitwize 2y ago
    Remember TV Guide? About 20 years back, Macrovision spun off the print magazine but kept the name, logo, and digital-media assets; these changed hands a few more times and are currently a subsidiary of Fandom. Meanwhile the print magazine is currently published by a separate entity, TV Guide Magazine LLC, which licenses the name and logo from the Fandom digital-media company.
- dmoy 2y ago
  In that case, they used to be the same company, and one was spun off. In the Mitsubishi case, there were at least 2 or 3 separate companies that were never really related
- 6stringmerc 2y ago
  I simply love how it’s three tuning forks - I had a Toyota Celica GT-S with the Dual cam motor that spun to 8,200 redline and the sound it made was amazing and I’ve always had a feeling Yamaha’s motor division still values their music heritage when they can. That engine sang…
aqueueaqueue 2y ago
Does Mitsubishi have the sort of political influence and lobbying that you might expect from a big company in Western countries?
- edu_do_cerrado 2y ago
  Probably yes, the Mitsubishi conglomerate is about 150 years old and it's spread across many industries, they where especially influential during the world wars (look up for 'zaibatsu'), so one can suppose that they are very indluential.
- decimalenough 2y ago
  MUFG, a part of Mitsubishi, is Japan's largest bank with around $1.5 trillion in assets. So, yes, absolutely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUFG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUFG
camillomiller 2y ago
It’s confusing to just say that Nikon or Kirin are Mitsubishi companies. It has to do with how keiretsu-style conglomerates operated. https://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/nikon/about-nikon/nikon-faq/is-nikon-a-subsidiary-of.html https://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/nikon/about-nikon/nikon...
brnt 2y ago
Is your airco unit by Mitsubishi Electric or Mitsubishi Heavy Industries? They are unrelated!

121 points by ghc 2y ago

This leaves me with more questions than answers, how did these three companies come up with the idea of using that logo? Did they just independently arrive at same design (seems unlikely)? And how did the trademark registration process go for the second and third companies that registered it?

dmurray 2y ago
It's mentioned in TFA that it comes from the Mitsubishi family crest. So the logo is conceptually much older than any of their registrations.
- yellers 2y ago
  Well I’m glad that TFA really explains the connection between Jinroku Masaki and the Mitsubishi family crest because otherwise I’d still be confused. (Or maybe it’s a westerner thing expecting the name of the founder to match the crests family in name)
  - suspended_state 2y ago
    The company history page on the corporate web site of Mitsubishi Pencils provides a reason behind the name: https://www.mpuni.co.jp/en/company/history.html https://www.mpuni.co.jp/en/company/history.html It's not clear why the 3 companies got the right to use the same logo. Perhaps they could each demonstrate that they used that logo before Japanese law required for it to be formally submitted for trademark?
    - limitedfrom 2y ago
      See my reply up on the original question.
Etheryte 2y ago
Turns out they used to be one conglomerate, but World War II changed that [0]: > The Mitsubishi Group traces its origins to the Mitsubishi zaibatsu, a unified company that existed from 1870 to 1946. The company, along with other major zaibatsu, was disbanded during the occupation of Japan following World War II by the order of the Allies. Despite the dissolution, the former constituent companies continue to share the Mitsubishi brand and trademark. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi
- abhorrence 2y ago
  The pencil company referenced in the article does not appear to have been part of the Mitsubishi zaibatsu however.
  - netsharc 2y ago
    I used to think it's cool the same company makes a pencil and an F-16 derivative ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2 ), but alas, the pencilmaker is not the same company. Mitsubishi also makes the world's most expensive toaster: https://youtu.be/Lq3iwWaoU7w https://youtu.be/Lq3iwWaoU7w
- nguyenkien 2y ago
  Not the case here. These 3 corp are unrelated (Excerpt for the name, logo). Did you even read the blog post or the wikipedia article you post?
- tecleandor 2y ago
  I'm tempted to write an small blogpost about this one with some explanations, as that blogpost is a bit old :D but there's a couple things I found in this rabbit hole I fell: First, as some of you have noted, the 三 kanji means 'three' [0] and Mitsubishi means 'three diamonds' [1]. Hence, the traditional family crest from the Mitsubishi family. The concrete origin can be found around here [2] Mitsubishi Pencil is the first one registering the three diamond logo, in 1903 [3]. Mitsubishi zaibatsu logo was thinner and a bit different then [4]. During the occupation of Japan after WWII, the Allied Powers (GHQ) ordered dismantling the zaibatsu and stopping using the Mitsui and Mitsubishi brands (among others) [5]. Mitsubishi Pencil was not part of the zaibatsu, but using the same name, it was in risk of disappearing. After negotiations by their president with the GHQ they were allowed to keep it if they indicated that they're not part of the zaibatsu [6]. Back in the fifties you could see "non-zaibatsu" under their logo in their products. [7] The 'Mitsubishi Cider' made by Konyusha doesn't exist anymore but its trademark was registered by Mazda Kogyo (now Mazda Total Solutions) in 1919. No, not THAT Mazda, a different Mazda (Matsuda/Mazda is a Japanese surname, so, more confusion :D) Mazda Kogyo would have contracted Konyusha to manufacture and sell the product in 1919 [8]. In 2014 Mazda Kogyo transfered the brand to Mitsubishi Corporation while Konyusha was still manufacturing it, and in 2015 they changed their name to Mazda Total Solutions [9]. Haven't totally understood their message, but I think Mazda Total Solutions has ceased operations as of today [10]. Konyusha stopped manufacturing and selling the cider in 2017 [11]. I've seen somewhere that could be related to the Kumamoto earthquake of 2016, as that Konyusha's location. Fun fact, there's is a cider named "Mitsuya Cider" [12] that has a similar logo, but with "arrows" instead of diamonds. When it started, as a carbonated water brand in the 1880s, it was part of the Mitsubishi zaibatsu, but it was split from the company a couple years later [13]. -- 0: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%B8%89#Japanese 1: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%B8%89%E8%8F%B1#Etymology_2 2: https://www.mitsubishielectric.co.jp/corporate/gaiyo/history/logo/ 3: https://mpuni.net/en/company/history.html 4: https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Mitsubishi 5: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%B2%A1%E9%96%A5%E8%A7%A3%E4%BD%93 6: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jp/kenjiando/mitsubishi-pencil 7: https://jaa2100.org/entry/detail/035688.html 8: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BC%98%E4%B9%B3%E8%88%8E#%E4%B8%89%E8%8F%B1%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6 9: https://matsudats.com/#history 10: https://matsudats.com/#message 11: https://web.archive.org/web/20171031110949/http://konyusha.co.jp/%e4%b8%89%e8%8f%b1%e3%82%b5%e3%82%a4%e3%83%80%e3%83%bc%e8%b2%a9%e5%a3%b2%e7%b5%82%e4%ba%86%e3%81%ae%e3%81%8a%e7%9f%a5%e3%82%89%e3%81%9b/ 12: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsuya_Cider 13: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%89%E3%83%84%E7%9F%A2%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC
chychiu 2y ago
The Kanji for Mitsubishi is 三菱, which literally means “three rhombus”. It is possible that they were independently invented, but the hypothesis on family crest crossovers still feels more likely
- madcaptenor 2y ago
  Independent invention seems unlikely to me - there are different colors, different ways to arrange the three rhombi, etc.
  - giraffe_lady 2y ago
    The design is much older in east asia, I've seen it on 19th century textiles and pottery for sure but I suspect it goes back a lot more than that. The shape is somehow associated with the name mitsubishi, possibly through visual or phonetic punning that is common in pictogram-based writing systems and tonal languages. Mitsubishi the name is more widespread than this one family or this group of companies, and the symbol appears to have long associated with the name per se rather than this specific mitsubishi. Mitsu sounds like three, I don't know what the rhombus connection is. That shade of red has a specific proper name in japanese (think like alice blue in english) and has long been associated with japan by the japanese. I don't think any of this is a coincidence there's a connection between all this stuff. But I don't know what it is and I don't think the article author does either.
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      > a specific proper name in japanese (think like alice blue in english) I hadn't heard of that one [0], the example that comes to mind is "Canary Yellow", but I suppose that's not so bound up to a specific cultural history. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_blue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_blue
    - andrekandre 2y ago
      > pictogram-based writing i think you might mean ideogram-based?
limitedfrom 2y ago
These pages[0][1] has more details. The families had three different emblems to start. The zaibatsu came up with the now famous three diamond design in in 1873[2], but there were no trademark laws until 1884, and many companies proceeded to use the logo. The pencil company first registered this in 1903. The zaibatsu finally got to it in 1914, but the earlier filing by the pencil company was honoured. As for the cider company, sounds like they've been selling it like it since 1913[2], but registered it in 1919? My guess is that since it was a regional product with the product type in the name that's already established (like [3]), they allowed it. [0] https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%80%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A4 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3... (translated: https://ja-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%80%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A4?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://ja-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%...) [1] https://www.buzzfeed.com/jp/kenjiando/mitsubishi-pencil https://www.buzzfeed.com/jp/kenjiando/mitsubishi-pencil [2] https://www.mitsubishi.com/ja/series/yataro/11/ https://www.mitsubishi.com/ja/series/yataro/11/ [3] https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9C%B0%E5%9F%9F%E5%9B%A3%E4%BD%93%E5%95%86%E6%A8%99 https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9C%B0%E5%9F%9F%E5%9B%A3%...
- ghc 2y ago
  Thank you! I knew there must be some logical explanation beyond coincidence.
killingtime74 2y ago
Trademarks are for certain product or service categories not blanket economy wide
seanhunter 2y ago
They also didn't. Mufg's logo is like a venn diagram with a dot in it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUFG_Bank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUFG_Bank

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johng 2y ago

I first heard the word Kereitsu in the movie Rising Sun with Sean Connery and Wesley Snipes. The movie involves large Japanese corporations and this word is used a lot. It's a great movie, well worth watching -- though I have no idea how accurate it is. It depicts large Japanese corporations vying for an American technology company. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107969/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_in_0_q_rising%2520sun https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107969/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8...

airstrike 2y ago
Love that movie!
bitwize 2y ago
I mainly associate that movie with Sean Connery's lecture on the senpai-kohai relationship in which, being Sean Connery, he pronounced "senpai" like "shenpai". Rising Sun in both novel and film forms were written in a time of strong anti-Japanese sentiment, in which there was considerable fear that Japanese companies would gobble up American assets (real estate, businesses, etc.) till there was no domestic industry left. Japan really was the China of the 1980s. Of course, things didn't really stay that way; the Japanese economy stagnated but the popularity of Japanese media like anime, manga, and video games helped foster more positive relations between Japan and the West (especially the USA). Take Rising Sun as a "product of its time" and it's really quite enjoyable. The keiretsu are actually groups of related companies that cooperate, often around a central bank which is the core of the keiretsu. They are usually descendants of zaibatsu, which were the huge dynastic companies that were broken up after WWII, although some "new keiretsu", like Seven & i Holdings which administers, among other things, 7-Eleven's Japanese locations, have emerged.
- phonon 2y ago
  > Seven & i Holdings Which is about to be bought out by Canada's Alimentation Couche-Tard (Circle K)!

tobr 2y ago

Reminds me of Yamaha, pianos and motorcycles sharing name and logo.

Hamuko 2y ago
With the motorcycles having tuning forks in the logo, despite having nothing to do with motor vehicles.
- tobr 2y ago
  Motorcycle forks look rather similar, though.
Lio 2y ago
I beleive that Yamaha Motor Co was spun out of Yamaha Corp. So they share the same logo because they were once one company. This is not too unheard of even in the West. Rolls Royce Motor Cars is owned by BMW but they just bought use of the name. The old Rolls Royce Motors who used to make the cars was sold to VW (but not the name). Rolls Royce Holdings Plc., the defence and aerospace firm, actually own the name but don't make cars. Clear as mud.
- bitwize 2y ago
  Remember TV Guide? About 20 years back, Macrovision spun off the print magazine but kept the name, logo, and digital-media assets; these changed hands a few more times and are currently a subsidiary of Fandom. Meanwhile the print magazine is currently published by a separate entity, TV Guide Magazine LLC, which licenses the name and logo from the Fandom digital-media company.
dmoy 2y ago
In that case, they used to be the same company, and one was spun off. In the Mitsubishi case, there were at least 2 or 3 separate companies that were never really related
6stringmerc 2y ago
I simply love how it’s three tuning forks - I had a Toyota Celica GT-S with the Dual cam motor that spun to 8,200 redline and the sound it made was amazing and I’ve always had a feeling Yamaha’s motor division still values their music heritage when they can. That engine sang…

aqueueaqueue 2y ago

Does Mitsubishi have the sort of political influence and lobbying that you might expect from a big company in Western countries?

edu_do_cerrado 2y ago
Probably yes, the Mitsubishi conglomerate is about 150 years old and it's spread across many industries, they where especially influential during the world wars (look up for 'zaibatsu'), so one can suppose that they are very indluential.
decimalenough 2y ago
MUFG, a part of Mitsubishi, is Japan's largest bank with around $1.5 trillion in assets. So, yes, absolutely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUFG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUFG

camillomiller 2y ago

It’s confusing to just say that Nikon or Kirin are Mitsubishi companies. It has to do with how keiretsu-style conglomerates operated. https://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/nikon/about-nikon/nikon-faq/is-nikon-a-subsidiary-of.html https://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/nikon/about-nikon/nikon...

brnt 2y ago

Is your airco unit by Mitsubishi Electric or Mitsubishi Heavy Industries? They are unrelated!