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The president can’t just unilaterally cancel a piece of legislation already signed into law. But maybe he gets the new congress to repeal it.

UncleOxidant 2y ago
Sure, but a lot of people at NIST who were in charge of implementing the CHIPS act have been fired. He definitely seems to be doing all he can to sabotage the CHIPS act without needing any congressional action.
tensor 2y ago
He sure seems to be able to just terminate legislation signed into law. He already did it with USAID, and is in the process of doing it to many other departments.
- braincat31415 2y ago
  USAID is a waste of money. Good riddance.
  - gizzlon 2y ago
    Yeah, kids starving and dying of cholera.. fuck em /s > The Inspector General also warned that $489 million in humanitarian food aid was at risk of spoiling due to staff furloughs and unclear guidance. The Office of Presidential Personnel fired the Inspector General the next day, despite a law requiring 30 days notice to Congress before firing an Inspector General.
    - braincat31415 2y ago
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      - mikeyouse 2y ago
        The correct way for the government to reel in USAID would be for congress to give them less funding and to tell them specifically what they want funded. Regardless if it offends you personally, those are all lawful uses of the money and the only illegal thing that's happened here is the funding being stopped by the President.
        braincat31415 2y ago
        First, I would not trust the current USAID disbursement personnel not to piss the money into the wind. I want them gone. And it's not a question of being offended personally - these are just ridiculous expenses that cannot possibly be justified. But I am indeed offended that the amount 4x of my real estate taxes that I can barely scrape off the bottom of a barrel is being wasted on some opera abroad. If you are wondering why people vote for Trump, this is one of those reasons. Regarding legality of funding being stopped by the President, I am not a lawyer (and I am guessing neither are you), so I am not going to take your legal opinion on this and will wait for the courts to issue the final ruling.
        mikeyouse 2y ago
        The fact that there’s a specific law called the Impoundment Control Act where the specific actions Trump is trying were made illegal should give you a hint to which way the court cases are going to go.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Imp...
        pseudalopex 2y ago
        Why are you confident the Supreme Court will not declare the Impoundment Control Act an unconstitutional restriction of executive power? Or declare the only recourse is impeachment? Who do you expect would enforce the ruling you predicted?
        mikeyouse 2y ago
      - amalcon 2y ago
        Those numbers are for the wrong line items, and the WH press secretary was wrong about the source of those funds. Both of those were out of the state department budget, which (putting aside the present murky status) did not oversee USAID at the time.
        braincat31415 2y ago
        What can I say... if you are correct about this (there are a lot of claims from both sides but no proofs), I hope DOGE gets its hands on the State Department, too. We have enough worthy causes to take care of inside the US.
    - userbinator 2y ago
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    - bitsage 2y ago
      Emergency and humanitarian aid wasn’t stopped. Your own quote alludes to it.
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    You like this rule being broken? Great, good for you. What about the other rules? The ones protecting you and the country? Is due process not valuable any more? What protects us from people with bad or selfish intentions?
dboreham 2y ago
Another thing that it turns out was just "guidelines".
lenerdenator 2y ago
Tell that to TikTok.
mikeyouse 2y ago
That's the old way of thinking -- they're trying to do just that across the government and without some enforcement mechanism to make them send the checks, the practical result is that the President can indeed cancel pieces of legislation via impoundment. Example 1 - Trying to take $20 billion from Citi: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5161849-inflation-reduction-act-climate-program-funds-frozen-epa-zeldin/ https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5161849-inflat... Example 2 - The pause preempting the defunding of USAID: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/reevaluating-and-realigning-united-states-foreign-aid/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/reev... Example 3 - CHIPS act would have had funding withheld if a Federal Court hadn't stepped in, but it's unclear what enforcement mechanism can force the funding to resume: https://archive.is/BxjHw https://archive.is/BxjHw
jcranmer 2y ago
He's not constitutionally able to do so. But DOGE has been trying to do effectively that for the past month, and has been distressingly successful at it. (For all that conservatives whined about the existence of an unaccountable deep state override elected officials making laws, that's basically an accurate description of DOGE.)
scarface_74 2y ago
You know TikTok is back in App Stores with Oracle hosting content even though all of that is illegal? Trump is ignoring the law now.

UncleOxidant 2y ago

Sure, but a lot of people at NIST who were in charge of implementing the CHIPS act have been fired. He definitely seems to be doing all he can to sabotage the CHIPS act without needing any congressional action.

tensor 2y ago

He sure seems to be able to just terminate legislation signed into law. He already did it with USAID, and is in the process of doing it to many other departments.

braincat31415 2y ago
USAID is a waste of money. Good riddance.
- gizzlon 2y ago
  Yeah, kids starving and dying of cholera.. fuck em /s > The Inspector General also warned that $489 million in humanitarian food aid was at risk of spoiling due to staff furloughs and unclear guidance. The Office of Presidential Personnel fired the Inspector General the next day, despite a law requiring 30 days notice to Congress before firing an Inspector General.
  - braincat31415 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - mikeyouse 2y ago
      The correct way for the government to reel in USAID would be for congress to give them less funding and to tell them specifically what they want funded. Regardless if it offends you personally, those are all lawful uses of the money and the only illegal thing that's happened here is the funding being stopped by the President.
      - braincat31415 2y ago
        First, I would not trust the current USAID disbursement personnel not to piss the money into the wind. I want them gone. And it's not a question of being offended personally - these are just ridiculous expenses that cannot possibly be justified. But I am indeed offended that the amount 4x of my real estate taxes that I can barely scrape off the bottom of a barrel is being wasted on some opera abroad. If you are wondering why people vote for Trump, this is one of those reasons. Regarding legality of funding being stopped by the President, I am not a lawyer (and I am guessing neither are you), so I am not going to take your legal opinion on this and will wait for the courts to issue the final ruling.
        mikeyouse 2y ago
        The fact that there’s a specific law called the Impoundment Control Act where the specific actions Trump is trying were made illegal should give you a hint to which way the court cases are going to go.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Imp...
        pseudalopex 2y ago
        Why are you confident the Supreme Court will not declare the Impoundment Control Act an unconstitutional restriction of executive power? Or declare the only recourse is impeachment? Who do you expect would enforce the ruling you predicted?
        mikeyouse 2y ago
    - amalcon 2y ago
      Those numbers are for the wrong line items, and the WH press secretary was wrong about the source of those funds. Both of those were out of the state department budget, which (putting aside the present murky status) did not oversee USAID at the time.
      - braincat31415 2y ago
        What can I say... if you are correct about this (there are a lot of claims from both sides but no proofs), I hope DOGE gets its hands on the State Department, too. We have enough worthy causes to take care of inside the US.
  - userbinator 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - bitsage 2y ago
    Emergency and humanitarian aid wasn’t stopped. Your own quote alludes to it.
- Sabinus 2y ago
  You like this rule being broken? Great, good for you. What about the other rules? The ones protecting you and the country? Is due process not valuable any more? What protects us from people with bad or selfish intentions?

dboreham 2y ago

Another thing that it turns out was just "guidelines".

lenerdenator 2y ago

Tell that to TikTok.

mikeyouse 2y ago

That's the old way of thinking -- they're trying to do just that across the government and without some enforcement mechanism to make them send the checks, the practical result is that the President can indeed cancel pieces of legislation via impoundment. Example 1 - Trying to take $20 billion from Citi: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5161849-inflation-reduction-act-climate-program-funds-frozen-epa-zeldin/ https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5161849-inflat... Example 2 - The pause preempting the defunding of USAID: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/reevaluating-and-realigning-united-states-foreign-aid/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/reev... Example 3 - CHIPS act would have had funding withheld if a Federal Court hadn't stepped in, but it's unclear what enforcement mechanism can force the funding to resume: https://archive.is/BxjHw https://archive.is/BxjHw

jcranmer 2y ago

He's not constitutionally able to do so. But DOGE has been trying to do effectively that for the past month, and has been distressingly successful at it. (For all that conservatives whined about the existence of an unaccountable deep state override elected officials making laws, that's basically an accurate description of DOGE.)

scarface_74 2y ago

You know TikTok is back in App Stores with Oracle hosting content even though all of that is illegal? Trump is ignoring the law now.