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but the hardware premium is kinda real... i have been using my macbook air 11 daily for 10 years (I am writing this comment on it), and it works flawlessly. som

by kome 2y ago

but the hardware premium is kinda real... i have been using my macbook air 11 daily for 10 years (I am writing this comment on it), and it works flawlessly. somehow i don't think other brands are so well made, or they weren't so well made 10 years ago.

realo 2y ago
Yes but... but... Did you update it to the latest version of Mac OS (Sequoia) with all the security patches via official Apple channels ? No you did not.
- skyyler 2y ago
  I don't think you can update any 10-year-old windows computer to the latest version of windows (11) with all security patches via official microsoft channels. (Also, lol @ "via official Apple channels", you're aware Open Core Legacy Patcher is a thing and have hedged against people mentioning it.) What are you comparing to?
  - _cenw 2y ago
    Wow, how dare you omit that Windows 11 24H2 IoT LTSC exists. /s
  - joseda-hg 2y ago
    I mean, there's an official way of installing without TPM, I'm pretty sure I can get Windows 11 on some pretty old hardware https://time.com/3264528/best-laptop-under-500/ https://time.com/3264528/best-laptop-under-500/ This is a 2014 article, for a Budget/Mid Laptop, with a compatible processor and double the minimum RAM https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/discussions/windows11/help-needed-install-windows-11-without-tpm-on-my-pc/4181724 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/discussions/windows11/he... Post marked as solution talks about installing W11 on a 10 Y/O Thinkpad
    - skyyler 2y ago
      I consider the WinBootMate thing suggested in your second link to be similar to OCLP. Third party solutions to enable installing on hardware the vendor doesn't want you installing it on. Did you even notice that the link marked as solution is a third party software vendor?????? They charge money for that solution.
      - joseda-hg 2y ago
        I actually didn't, but I still think the point stands https://www.techpowerup.com/329691/microsoft-loosens-windows-11-install-requirements-tpm-2-0-not-needed-anymore https://www.techpowerup.com/329691/microsoft-loosens-windows... Microsoft does let's you bypass it (Regardless of them putting up a disclaimer) so the example stands, you can do it hardware and software wise without losing updates or security* https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-on-de... * I think you only really lose some performance on cryptographic operations and tranparent encryption
        skyyler 2y ago
        The Microsoft support page you linked says that it's unsupported. I don't know what point you're trying to make here, but it's falling flat.
        joseda-hg 2y ago
        Microsoft removed the mandatory requirement, so now instead of refusing to install it just gives a disclaimer that it's "unsupported" as per the linked page So you can install Vanilla Windows 11, no third party, on decade old hardware without losing anything other than performance (And an annoying disclaimer)
        p_ing 2y ago
        Microsoft removed that. TPM is a hard requirement unless you unwisely remove the requirement via 3rd party tool.
  - eviks 2y ago
    You can easily patch a config file in Windows and install it on old hardware and get regular updates as usual. OCLP is more complicated and limited as it's not a "some manifest config limitation", but actual support parts of OS being removed, so they have a big lag and a bunch of issues, and limit your updates So yeah, no contest comparision between Mac and Win
  - sunshowers 2y ago
    Not 10 years old, but I have a 2017 laptop that updated to Windows 11 just fine. It's somewhat slow though and I enjoy the dual-booted Linux on it more.
- judofyr 2y ago
  Not quite sure what you're trying to say, but the MacBook Air 11" 2015 model supports macOS Monterey[1] which got a security update 6 months ago[2]. [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260 https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260 [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Monterey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Monterey
  - sunshowers 2y ago
    It's well-known that old versions of macOS get security updates quite late, if ever [1]. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/11/psa-apple-isnt-actually-patching-all-the-security-holes-in-older-versions-of-macos/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/11/psa-apple-isnt-actua...

by kome 2y ago

realo 2y ago

Yes but... but... Did you update it to the latest version of Mac OS (Sequoia) with all the security patches via official Apple channels ? No you did not.

skyyler 2y ago
I don't think you can update any 10-year-old windows computer to the latest version of windows (11) with all security patches via official microsoft channels. (Also, lol @ "via official Apple channels", you're aware Open Core Legacy Patcher is a thing and have hedged against people mentioning it.) What are you comparing to?
- _cenw 2y ago
  Wow, how dare you omit that Windows 11 24H2 IoT LTSC exists. /s
- joseda-hg 2y ago
  I mean, there's an official way of installing without TPM, I'm pretty sure I can get Windows 11 on some pretty old hardware https://time.com/3264528/best-laptop-under-500/ https://time.com/3264528/best-laptop-under-500/ This is a 2014 article, for a Budget/Mid Laptop, with a compatible processor and double the minimum RAM https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/discussions/windows11/help-needed-install-windows-11-without-tpm-on-my-pc/4181724 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/discussions/windows11/he... Post marked as solution talks about installing W11 on a 10 Y/O Thinkpad
  - skyyler 2y ago
    I consider the WinBootMate thing suggested in your second link to be similar to OCLP. Third party solutions to enable installing on hardware the vendor doesn't want you installing it on. Did you even notice that the link marked as solution is a third party software vendor?????? They charge money for that solution.
    - joseda-hg 2y ago
      I actually didn't, but I still think the point stands https://www.techpowerup.com/329691/microsoft-loosens-windows-11-install-requirements-tpm-2-0-not-needed-anymore https://www.techpowerup.com/329691/microsoft-loosens-windows... Microsoft does let's you bypass it (Regardless of them putting up a disclaimer) so the example stands, you can do it hardware and software wise without losing updates or security* https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-on-de... * I think you only really lose some performance on cryptographic operations and tranparent encryption
      - skyyler 2y ago
        The Microsoft support page you linked says that it's unsupported. I don't know what point you're trying to make here, but it's falling flat.
        joseda-hg 2y ago
        Microsoft removed the mandatory requirement, so now instead of refusing to install it just gives a disclaimer that it's "unsupported" as per the linked page So you can install Vanilla Windows 11, no third party, on decade old hardware without losing anything other than performance (And an annoying disclaimer)
        p_ing 2y ago
        Microsoft removed that. TPM is a hard requirement unless you unwisely remove the requirement via 3rd party tool.
- eviks 2y ago
  You can easily patch a config file in Windows and install it on old hardware and get regular updates as usual. OCLP is more complicated and limited as it's not a "some manifest config limitation", but actual support parts of OS being removed, so they have a big lag and a bunch of issues, and limit your updates So yeah, no contest comparision between Mac and Win
- sunshowers 2y ago
  Not 10 years old, but I have a 2017 laptop that updated to Windows 11 just fine. It's somewhat slow though and I enjoy the dual-booted Linux on it more.
judofyr 2y ago
Not quite sure what you're trying to say, but the MacBook Air 11" 2015 model supports macOS Monterey[1] which got a security update 6 months ago[2]. [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260 https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260 [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Monterey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Monterey
- sunshowers 2y ago
  It's well-known that old versions of macOS get security updates quite late, if ever [1]. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/11/psa-apple-isnt-actually-patching-all-the-security-holes-in-older-versions-of-macos/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/11/psa-apple-isnt-actua...