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The worst part of Postgres (and linux) is the awful mailing list driven development process. I have patches to Postgres that I'd rather just keep porting up eve

by nimish 2y ago

The worst part of Postgres (and linux) is the awful mailing list driven development process. I have patches to Postgres that I'd rather just keep porting up every version than to try to figure out how to make Outlook work with a 1980s process. The internals themselves are quite nicely engineered as you'd expect

felideon 2y ago
> how to make Outlook work Well that’s your first problem. Unless you’re using corporate email?
- nimish 2y ago
  Correct. It's corporate email. Imagine the amount of contributions that are gated behind stupid email policies because some fossil mailing list client can't handle modern email in the year of our lord 2025
  - pritambaral 2y ago
    > Outlook > modern email That can't be true. Now, I haven't used Outlook myself, but I've received enough garbage from that godforsaken relic of a time when MS wanted to EEE email to know that that can't be true. FWIW, I've posted patches to the PG mailing list just fine with GMail. The web app, that is.
    - nimish 2y ago
      OK. Every major corporation uses Outlook and there is no way I can change that so by not accepting its foibles you are artificially stopping interested contributors who would do it on company time and hardware It's a very FOSS pathology.
      - majewsky 2y ago
        If by "pathology" you mean "we optimize for the comfort of the people already actively engaged in the project instead of hypothetical future contributors", I don't think this argument is as strong as you think it is. If anything, this kind of excessive legal and process red tape is much more common in enterprise-driven vs. community-driven open source projects.
        nimish 2y ago
        No that's not what I mean, don't put words in my mouth. > excessive legal and process red tape I just wanna hit "Send" in my standard email client, not set up pine and debug a mail spooler
immibis 2y ago
You are unable to send a message with an attachment? Or what's the problem specifically?
- nimish 2y ago
  I don't want to waste my time with a process that has zero benefits to me
  - immibis 2y ago
    So you'd have the same complaint about a Github pull request?
    - nimish 2y ago
      No, a GitHub PR has benefits that far exceed a mailing list post, to me
fforflo 2y ago
Parent probably means that email clients don't send the attachments (patches) with the appropriate content type (i.e. text/x-patch or text/x-diff) but use application/octet-stream.

by nimish 2y ago

felideon 2y ago

> how to make Outlook work Well that’s your first problem. Unless you’re using corporate email?

nimish 2y ago
Correct. It's corporate email. Imagine the amount of contributions that are gated behind stupid email policies because some fossil mailing list client can't handle modern email in the year of our lord 2025
- pritambaral 2y ago
  > Outlook > modern email That can't be true. Now, I haven't used Outlook myself, but I've received enough garbage from that godforsaken relic of a time when MS wanted to EEE email to know that that can't be true. FWIW, I've posted patches to the PG mailing list just fine with GMail. The web app, that is.
  - nimish 2y ago
    OK. Every major corporation uses Outlook and there is no way I can change that so by not accepting its foibles you are artificially stopping interested contributors who would do it on company time and hardware It's a very FOSS pathology.
    - majewsky 2y ago
      If by "pathology" you mean "we optimize for the comfort of the people already actively engaged in the project instead of hypothetical future contributors", I don't think this argument is as strong as you think it is. If anything, this kind of excessive legal and process red tape is much more common in enterprise-driven vs. community-driven open source projects.
      - nimish 2y ago
        No that's not what I mean, don't put words in my mouth. > excessive legal and process red tape I just wanna hit "Send" in my standard email client, not set up pine and debug a mail spooler

immibis 2y ago

You are unable to send a message with an attachment? Or what's the problem specifically?

nimish 2y ago
I don't want to waste my time with a process that has zero benefits to me
- immibis 2y ago
  So you'd have the same complaint about a Github pull request?
  - nimish 2y ago
    No, a GitHub PR has benefits that far exceed a mailing list post, to me

fforflo 2y ago

Parent probably means that email clients don't send the attachments (patches) with the appropriate content type (i.e. text/x-patch or text/x-diff) but use application/octet-stream.