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> 480 km in the cold at highway speeds is 140 km more than your previously stated 340 km, which is an hour more at 140 km/h. That is incorrect. Review the issu
by Gareth321 2y ago
> 480 km in the cold at highway speeds is 140 km more than your previously stated 340 km, which is an hour more at 140 km/h.
That is incorrect. Review the issue I outline above. The optimal charging range is 10% to 80% (as per Tesla's recommendation). That is 70%, or 336km. At 140kph that is 2.4 hours, or 2 hours and 24 minutes.
> It is tied with "availability of chargers equal gas stations" in that report, suggesting that the range concern is not about roadtrips but daily convenience for households without own chargers.
It is clearly both. People can and do care about more than one thing at a time. It could be that offering more ubiquitous charging would reduce this area of concern, but that's far from a proven hypothesis. Especially in terms of proportional response.
> Also, answers to a questionaire for "EV skeptical" people about why they haven't purchased an EV isn't representative of actual needs. People when asked about range answer that way because they're comparing to what they already have and have to make up an answer to justify their decisions, not because of need.
If you care about adoption, you should care very much about why non-adopters are not adopting EVs. I don't understand your point of contention. These are real people with real concerns and real requirements with real money who will really not buy EVs until their desires are addressed. Let us never forget that the customer decides what they spend their money on. They alone decide what matters to them.
> And you must accept that your values does not equal the actual needs of the general population, which can be quite easily assessed based on normal worklife patterns.
Surveys suggest people disagree with you. I disagree with you. You're making a values based judgement about the needs of people and claiming that your values are or should be everyone's, and that's clearly incorrect. Just because you don't mind stopping more frequently on trips doesn't mean others share your position. You equate daily driving with road trips, suggesting you either didn't register my explanation of marginal utility, or don't understand it. This is marginal utility (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility). Different people assign different levels of value to different things. You, for example, place very little value on comfort during road trips. No problem. You are free to do so. Others, however - and a great many of them - assign much more value to road trips. So we wish to drag around much heavier batteries during our daily commutes to make our road trips faster. We're willing to pay more for that privilege, too. We care about it so much, that we won't buy EVs which make our road trips slower and less convenient. No amount of badgering will convince us to change what we value.
I have tried renting ICE vehicles for road trips. It is a truly terrible experience every single time. Rental agencies are predatory. There are many reasons people prefer to own instead of rent. I have decided I do not like renting. I instead wish my car to fit my needs. This is hardly a radical proposition. It would take a lot of road trips to justify the cost of a second vehicle. I don't think it makes financial or environmental sense.