> delivery driver peeing in a Gatorade bottle to meet quotas I agree that that is fucked up too. But that's kind of my point about the layers of crap once you

> delivery driver peeing in a Gatorade bottle to meet quotas I agree that that is fucked up too. But that's kind of my point about the layers of crap once you start digging. But you're giving a false dichotomy — like we have to choose between flying chainsaws and drivers peeing in bottles. I'm pretty sure that most people thinking about it for a bit can come up with a few more alternatives.