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So because people oppose some specific change that is causing documented problems for them, they're automatically anti-progress? It should be incumbent on Amazo

by throwway120385 2y ago

So because people oppose some specific change that is causing documented problems for them, they're automatically anti-progress? It should be incumbent on Amazon to resolve the problems their neighbors are having with their drones. Also I don't understand what "government surveyors" have to do with anything. Do you realize that satellite images of your roofline and property are detailed enough and cheap enough that people use them for roofing estimates?

ethbr1 2y ago
> Also I don't understand what "government surveyors" have to do with anything. There have been a few published examples of overzealous code enforcement bureaus using drones to identify otherwise out of sight violations. Which... I hate codes and ordinances as much as anyone, but if you're in violation you're in violation. Better to address the overzealous part of that by forcing a more relaxed policy on the bureau through their leadership (e.g. the mayor).
- AyyEye 2y ago
  Everyone's in violation. A society where everyone obeys every law is a society of robots.
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    Or a society in which only just laws are on the books.
    - AyyEye 2y ago
      Perfectly spherical cows.
- potato3732842 2y ago
  Which would be fine if that's how it was but usually when this subject comes up it's because the government is being sloppy, fining first and asking questions later and rake in untold sums before they accidentally fine the guy who meticulously complied, knows he can prove it and has the time/resources to fight them and then makes the news. There's a reason I lumped them in with insurance mis-identifying shadows and whatnot. If the violations were truly meaningful or detrimental then the abutters would have narc'd.
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    That's where tying elected representation to the issue is useful. Relatively few folks vote in local elections: blanketing the city/county with "X is responsible for Y" can sway an election.

ethbr1 2y ago

> Also I don't understand what "government surveyors" have to do with anything. There have been a few published examples of overzealous code enforcement bureaus using drones to identify otherwise out of sight violations. Which... I hate codes and ordinances as much as anyone, but if you're in violation you're in violation. Better to address the overzealous part of that by forcing a more relaxed policy on the bureau through their leadership (e.g. the mayor).

AyyEye 2y ago
Everyone's in violation. A society where everyone obeys every law is a society of robots.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  Or a society in which only just laws are on the books.
  - AyyEye 2y ago
    Perfectly spherical cows.
potato3732842 2y ago
Which would be fine if that's how it was but usually when this subject comes up it's because the government is being sloppy, fining first and asking questions later and rake in untold sums before they accidentally fine the guy who meticulously complied, knows he can prove it and has the time/resources to fight them and then makes the news. There's a reason I lumped them in with insurance mis-identifying shadows and whatnot. If the violations were truly meaningful or detrimental then the abutters would have narc'd.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  That's where tying elected representation to the issue is useful. Relatively few folks vote in local elections: blanketing the city/county with "X is responsible for Y" can sway an election.