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Bullshit, after Ruzzia invaded Ukraine in 2014 you still have the ability to pretend Ukrainians did not really want to join EU and NATO and USA, Israel and Ill

Bullshit, after Ruzzia invaded Ukraine in 2014 you still have the ability to pretend Ukrainians did not really want to join EU and NATO and USA, Israel and Illuminaty caused the Ukrainians to protest their president that promised the West and then betrayed the people by going East. Typical Zed propaganda where Eastern Europeans are all brainwashed to hate the good, kind Ruzzian empire. if you are USaians then go and fix your history and stop consuming MAGA and Zed propaganda.

somenameforme 2y ago
You're having an anachronism. The events in Crimea only came after 'their president' was overthrown, and were directly and indisputably caused by it. The reason I say 'their president' is because Crimea is majority ethnic Russian and before them it was Tatars. It's never been Ukrainian in ethnicity or even close to such. And the event that was exploited into a crisis point was Yanukovych signing an economic agreement with Russia instead of the EU. The US wasn't just doings things behind the scenes. This [1] is John McCain at a rally in Kyiv. Imagine if during the BLM (or January 6th or whatever) protests/riots if China/Russia/etc had sent high level officials to overtly rally people to try to overthrow the government. It's a completely surreal sight if you really think about what you're seeing. The US is right there saying 'Yeah, we're gonna overthrow you in plain sight - try to do anything about it and you'll be wishing that's all that happened.' And if you think there was nothing going on behind the scenes on top of that stuff that overt in front of the cameras, then I'd say you're not arguing in good faith! In any case, none of this happens with good relations. A simple agreement to economically save Ukraine shouldn't have been an adversarial East vs West thing, but just another agreement to the benefit of Ukrainians. But that poor country's strategic positioning, and easily exploitable nationalist minority, means it was doomed to inevitably just end up as little more than a rope being tugged on by two giants. The giants will be fine regardless of what happens - it's just the rope that ends up in tatters. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg
- simion314 2y ago
  Fck what about Ukraine borders are recognized by Ruzzia but they invaded Ukraine then they signed peace and invaded again I don't give a shit what USA idiots said, if the people of Ukraine want in EU and NATO like their neighbors Poland, Romania, Hungary then why should a failed empire object. You imply that USA brainwashed the Ukrainians, they instigated this. Can't you use your brains? Can you see Ruzzians killing, raping, torturing their "brothers" ? It is obvious that for an ethnic Ruzzian genociding Polish, Romanians or Ukrainians is the same , they have no value for what we actually want. We all want EU and NATO to be free of USSR/Ruzzian empire the Ruzzians want their empire back, Ruzzia has nukes so the bullshit that NATO extens because they want to invade Ruzzia and steal their shit is stupid , use your brain EU bought shit from Ruzzia, EU tried to get peace with the empire by making bussiness relations, EU had not plants to invade and steal Ruzzian lands . There was ZERO risk for Ruzzia to get invaded, it is the same with the other wars Putin started, it is all geopolitics and many Zeds agree with it and make fun of us smaller country by claiming that this is how the world works, big empires screw the small countries.
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    > why should a failed empire object. There is a lot to criticize the US for, but it is nowhere close to being a failed empire yet.
    - simion314 2y ago
      >There is a lot to criticize the US for, but it is nowhere close to being a failed empire yet. At least we can agree Ruzzia is failed empire, no words on that part from KGB I am happy I found an agent that is not flagging or reporting me then goes to tell his mom how big of a hero he is.
  - somenameforme 2y ago
    I am not implying in any way that Ukrainians are brainwashed. The main weapon that the US uses against geopolitical adversaries is to take some organic issue, the sort which exist in every single country (including the US), and exploit it as much as possible to try to turn a small spark into a blazing inferno. If we didn't need to have McCain go speak in Ukraine to keep that fire burning - we wouldn't have. The optics are bad, it makes a mockery of any notion of not meddling in other democracies, and you can no longer dismiss direct involvement as just some conspiracy, as you initially tried to. The reasons countries don't want geopolitical adversaries on their doorstep is because superpowers have an unspoken (well.. sometimes spoken [1]) 'sphere of influence' that is not to be touched. If Mexico signed a military agreement with Russia that involved them establishing forces there - we would be invading imminently. In fact this is exactly what the Cuban Missile Crisis [2] was about. Ukraine (and Taiwan) are not even just proxy wars between the US and Russia/China, but rather they're a proxy war against hegemony. Does the US have the right to setup right on Russia's front door? How about China's? So the one thing I would agree with you is that indeed - the world remains one of the strong picking on the weak. And the last place you ever want to be is caught in the middle of a turf war between two giants. The world would be vastly better for everybody if those giants instead existed in collaboration, or at least healthy competition. One trying to dominate the other is only likely to hurt those caught in the middle. Because if the two giants ever came to unrestrained blows, the entire world would burn. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

somenameforme 2y ago

You're having an anachronism. The events in Crimea only came after 'their president' was overthrown, and were directly and indisputably caused by it. The reason I say 'their president' is because Crimea is majority ethnic Russian and before them it was Tatars. It's never been Ukrainian in ethnicity or even close to such. And the event that was exploited into a crisis point was Yanukovych signing an economic agreement with Russia instead of the EU. The US wasn't just doings things behind the scenes. This [1] is John McCain at a rally in Kyiv. Imagine if during the BLM (or January 6th or whatever) protests/riots if China/Russia/etc had sent high level officials to overtly rally people to try to overthrow the government. It's a completely surreal sight if you really think about what you're seeing. The US is right there saying 'Yeah, we're gonna overthrow you in plain sight - try to do anything about it and you'll be wishing that's all that happened.' And if you think there was nothing going on behind the scenes on top of that stuff that overt in front of the cameras, then I'd say you're not arguing in good faith! In any case, none of this happens with good relations. A simple agreement to economically save Ukraine shouldn't have been an adversarial East vs West thing, but just another agreement to the benefit of Ukrainians. But that poor country's strategic positioning, and easily exploitable nationalist minority, means it was doomed to inevitably just end up as little more than a rope being tugged on by two giants. The giants will be fine regardless of what happens - it's just the rope that ends up in tatters. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg

simion314 2y ago
Fck what about Ukraine borders are recognized by Ruzzia but they invaded Ukraine then they signed peace and invaded again I don't give a shit what USA idiots said, if the people of Ukraine want in EU and NATO like their neighbors Poland, Romania, Hungary then why should a failed empire object. You imply that USA brainwashed the Ukrainians, they instigated this. Can't you use your brains? Can you see Ruzzians killing, raping, torturing their "brothers" ? It is obvious that for an ethnic Ruzzian genociding Polish, Romanians or Ukrainians is the same , they have no value for what we actually want. We all want EU and NATO to be free of USSR/Ruzzian empire the Ruzzians want their empire back, Ruzzia has nukes so the bullshit that NATO extens because they want to invade Ruzzia and steal their shit is stupid , use your brain EU bought shit from Ruzzia, EU tried to get peace with the empire by making bussiness relations, EU had not plants to invade and steal Ruzzian lands . There was ZERO risk for Ruzzia to get invaded, it is the same with the other wars Putin started, it is all geopolitics and many Zeds agree with it and make fun of us smaller country by claiming that this is how the world works, big empires screw the small countries.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  > why should a failed empire object. There is a lot to criticize the US for, but it is nowhere close to being a failed empire yet.
  - simion314 2y ago
    >There is a lot to criticize the US for, but it is nowhere close to being a failed empire yet. At least we can agree Ruzzia is failed empire, no words on that part from KGB I am happy I found an agent that is not flagging or reporting me then goes to tell his mom how big of a hero he is.
- somenameforme 2y ago
  I am not implying in any way that Ukrainians are brainwashed. The main weapon that the US uses against geopolitical adversaries is to take some organic issue, the sort which exist in every single country (including the US), and exploit it as much as possible to try to turn a small spark into a blazing inferno. If we didn't need to have McCain go speak in Ukraine to keep that fire burning - we wouldn't have. The optics are bad, it makes a mockery of any notion of not meddling in other democracies, and you can no longer dismiss direct involvement as just some conspiracy, as you initially tried to. The reasons countries don't want geopolitical adversaries on their doorstep is because superpowers have an unspoken (well.. sometimes spoken [1]) 'sphere of influence' that is not to be touched. If Mexico signed a military agreement with Russia that involved them establishing forces there - we would be invading imminently. In fact this is exactly what the Cuban Missile Crisis [2] was about. Ukraine (and Taiwan) are not even just proxy wars between the US and Russia/China, but rather they're a proxy war against hegemony. Does the US have the right to setup right on Russia's front door? How about China's? So the one thing I would agree with you is that indeed - the world remains one of the strong picking on the weak. And the last place you ever want to be is caught in the middle of a turf war between two giants. The world would be vastly better for everybody if those giants instead existed in collaboration, or at least healthy competition. One trying to dominate the other is only likely to hurt those caught in the middle. Because if the two giants ever came to unrestrained blows, the entire world would burn. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis