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I was shocked for a second, I thought it said "Windows 8 hits RTFM status"!

by re_todd 14y ago

mproud 14y ago
Me too! If only companies compiled manuals for their products these days. I miss my old hard copy System 7 manual. Good times.
Gormo 14y ago
Given the fact that many interface functions in the Windows 8 UI are undiscoverable from within the UI, and require advance knowledge of mouse gestures, etc., this isn't quite so far off from the truth.
- Aaronontheweb 14y ago
  "Given the fact that many interface functions in the Windows 8 UI are undiscoverable from within the UI" such as?
  - fsckin 14y ago
    Hot corners?
  - president 14y ago
    Start Menu
    - Aaronontheweb 14y ago
      All of the examples given are discoverable, even with a mouse and keyboard IMHO - particularly given that all of the keyboard shortcuts (such as the Windows key for the start screen and Alt + F4 for closing an app) all still work. The thing most desktop-oriented criticisms of Win8 overlook is that the overwhelming majority of computers that are going to ship with Win8 installed WILL HAVE TOUCH. Comparing the experience on an existing PC and extrapolating that to how the experience will feel on devices that are sold starting in October is Apples to Oranges.
      - glhaynes 14y ago
        The thing most desktop-oriented criticisms of Win8 overlook is that the overwhelming majority of computers that are going to ship with Win8 installed WILL HAVE TOUCH. What? Why would that be? Most non-touch desktop and laptop models will continue to be non-touch but will start to come with Windows 8. These non-touch Windows devices will continue to vastly outnumber the Windows 8 tablets that are shipped, unless Surface or Windows Phone 8 devices are runaway successes beyond anybody's dreams...
        Aaronontheweb 14y ago
        Because OEMs aren't going to want to sell devices that are awkward to use with Windows 8, and this gives them a good ability to differentiate and incentivize upgrades from Win7 / Vista machines. Why do you think Microsoft announced Surface when they did? Expect more laptops and notebooks to ship with touch screens.
        glhaynes 14y ago
        That market is so price competitive (and so based on differentiation within each manufacturer's product line), that I'll be surprised if we see a huge shift toward touch screens as an "expected" feature. No doubt there will be more than there are today, of course. Guess we'll see!
      - laconian 14y ago
        Imagine having your arms in front of your face for an 8+ hour workday. That will be terrible. Chiropractors are going to make a fortune off Win8.
  - pchivers 14y ago
    -how to exit Metro apps -how to shut down the computer
    - commandar 14y ago
      My boss occasionally uses my PC at work. He still hasn't figured out how to switch users after W8 being on my PC for a couple of months now.
    - freehunter 14y ago
      Did people have trouble figuring this out on their iPad when they first got it? It's pretty much the same deal. Press the Windows key on the front of the tablet/keyboard.
      - endersshadow 14y ago
        I'll give you an example from this morning. Guy in my office wanted to print a PDF from within Windows Reader. Know where the print button in Windows Reader is? Nowhere. You have to press Ctrl+P to bring up the print dialog. How, exactly, is that going to work on a tablet? Also, since when did we have to think about how a tablet (with one button, and hence, limited options) would handle a task, when GUIs have been handling the same task the same way for decades?
        vtbassmatt 14y ago
        How, exactly, is that going to work on a tablet? Charms bar > Devices > (your printer).
        freehunter 14y ago
        How, exactly, is that going to work on a tablet? Has Microsoft ever shipped an OS without a tutorial? Also, how easy/intuitive is it to print from an iPad? Also, since when did we have to think about how a tablet would handle a task? Since people started buying iPads. Microsoft could continue to cater specifically to you then go out of business, or they could cater to both markets and give you the option of using a desktop with all your traditional printer options. Both of these things exist.

I was shocked for a second, I thought it said "Windows 8 hits RTFM status"!

by re_todd 14y ago

I was shocked for a second, I thought it said "Windows 8 hits RTFM status"!

Me too! If only companies compiled manuals for their products these days. I miss my old hard copy System 7 manual. Good times.

Gormo 14y ago

Given the fact that many interface functions in the Windows 8 UI are undiscoverable from within the UI, and require advance knowledge of mouse gestures, etc., this isn't quite so far off from the truth.

Aaronontheweb 14y ago
"Given the fact that many interface functions in the Windows 8 UI are undiscoverable from within the UI" such as?
- fsckin 14y ago
  Hot corners?
- president 14y ago
  Start Menu
  - Aaronontheweb 14y ago
    All of the examples given are discoverable, even with a mouse and keyboard IMHO - particularly given that all of the keyboard shortcuts (such as the Windows key for the start screen and Alt + F4 for closing an app) all still work. The thing most desktop-oriented criticisms of Win8 overlook is that the overwhelming majority of computers that are going to ship with Win8 installed WILL HAVE TOUCH. Comparing the experience on an existing PC and extrapolating that to how the experience will feel on devices that are sold starting in October is Apples to Oranges.
    - glhaynes 14y ago
      The thing most desktop-oriented criticisms of Win8 overlook is that the overwhelming majority of computers that are going to ship with Win8 installed WILL HAVE TOUCH. What? Why would that be? Most non-touch desktop and laptop models will continue to be non-touch but will start to come with Windows 8. These non-touch Windows devices will continue to vastly outnumber the Windows 8 tablets that are shipped, unless Surface or Windows Phone 8 devices are runaway successes beyond anybody's dreams...
      - Aaronontheweb 14y ago
        Because OEMs aren't going to want to sell devices that are awkward to use with Windows 8, and this gives them a good ability to differentiate and incentivize upgrades from Win7 / Vista machines. Why do you think Microsoft announced Surface when they did? Expect more laptops and notebooks to ship with touch screens.
        glhaynes 14y ago
        That market is so price competitive (and so based on differentiation within each manufacturer's product line), that I'll be surprised if we see a huge shift toward touch screens as an "expected" feature. No doubt there will be more than there are today, of course. Guess we'll see!
    - laconian 14y ago
      Imagine having your arms in front of your face for an 8+ hour workday. That will be terrible. Chiropractors are going to make a fortune off Win8.
- pchivers 14y ago
  -how to exit Metro apps -how to shut down the computer
  - commandar 14y ago
    My boss occasionally uses my PC at work. He still hasn't figured out how to switch users after W8 being on my PC for a couple of months now.
  - freehunter 14y ago
    Did people have trouble figuring this out on their iPad when they first got it? It's pretty much the same deal. Press the Windows key on the front of the tablet/keyboard.
    - endersshadow 14y ago
      I'll give you an example from this morning. Guy in my office wanted to print a PDF from within Windows Reader. Know where the print button in Windows Reader is? Nowhere. You have to press Ctrl+P to bring up the print dialog. How, exactly, is that going to work on a tablet? Also, since when did we have to think about how a tablet (with one button, and hence, limited options) would handle a task, when GUIs have been handling the same task the same way for decades?
      - vtbassmatt 14y ago
        How, exactly, is that going to work on a tablet? Charms bar > Devices > (your printer).
      - freehunter 14y ago
        How, exactly, is that going to work on a tablet? Has Microsoft ever shipped an OS without a tutorial? Also, how easy/intuitive is it to print from an iPad? Also, since when did we have to think about how a tablet would handle a task? Since people started buying iPads. Microsoft could continue to cater specifically to you then go out of business, or they could cater to both markets and give you the option of using a desktop with all your traditional printer options. Both of these things exist.