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careful or you would have to divorce google because of their actions but the larger question is, will you?

shakna 2y ago
I don't believe Google has directly caused the leaking of classified information, or attacking vital infrastructure, as of yet. Kaspersky, yes [0]. TikTok, yes [1]. Google do, however, publish information on commercial spy networks [2]. However, it is likely that I would do so if they show themselves to be an enemy of my nation. If you've found Google attacking a government, I'm sure plenty of people would love to see the evidence. [0] https://securityaffairs.com/174586/intelligence/australia-bans-kaspersky-over-national-security-concerns.html https://securityaffairs.com/174586/intelligence/australia-ba... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/technology/byte-dance-tik-tok-internal-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/technology/byte-dance-tik... [2] https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/documents/Buying_Spying_-_Insights_into_Commercial_Surveillance_Vendors_-_TAG_report.pdf https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/doc...
- TheSpiceIsLife 2y ago
  Your first link doesn't show any evidence of, or even suggest that, Kaspersky has attacked Australia. It shows only that the Australian government expresses concern over the capability, which doesn't seem entirely unreasonable and also politically motivated. Oceania has always been at war Eastasia, and all that.
  - shakna 2y ago
    > Entities must manage the risks arising from Kaspersky Lab, Inc.’s extensive collection of user data and exposure of that data to extrajudicial directions from a foreign government that conflict with Australian law. That's not concern of possibility. That's acknowledgement of exfiltration of data, back to Russia. Past tense. This is political, yes. But only insofar as all actions of one nation against another is political. Australia go to some lengths not to piss Russia off. If things were not so political, then the response would likely be much greater, not less.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 2y ago
      What user data? Telemetry from using their antivirus products? Is that what they’re talking about?
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      Uhm if you read the kind of thing Aussie government hackers were doing lately... They are perfectly fine pissing off Russia:) (There are plenty of actual threats from there, just kaspersky doesn't seem one)

I don't believe Google has directly caused the leaking of classified information, or attacking vital infrastructure, as of yet. Kaspersky, yes [0]. TikTok, yes [1]. Google do, however, publish information on commercial spy networks [2]. However, it is likely that I would do so if they show themselves to be an enemy of my nation. If you've found Google attacking a government, I'm sure plenty of people would love to see the evidence. [0] https://securityaffairs.com/174586/intelligence/australia-bans-kaspersky-over-national-security-concerns.html https://securityaffairs.com/174586/intelligence/australia-ba... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/technology/byte-dance-tik-tok-internal-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/technology/byte-dance-tik... [2] https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/documents/Buying_Spying_-_Insights_into_Commercial_Surveillance_Vendors_-_TAG_report.pdf https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/doc...

TheSpiceIsLife 2y ago
Your first link doesn't show any evidence of, or even suggest that, Kaspersky has attacked Australia. It shows only that the Australian government expresses concern over the capability, which doesn't seem entirely unreasonable and also politically motivated. Oceania has always been at war Eastasia, and all that.
- shakna 2y ago
  > Entities must manage the risks arising from Kaspersky Lab, Inc.’s extensive collection of user data and exposure of that data to extrajudicial directions from a foreign government that conflict with Australian law. That's not concern of possibility. That's acknowledgement of exfiltration of data, back to Russia. Past tense. This is political, yes. But only insofar as all actions of one nation against another is political. Australia go to some lengths not to piss Russia off. If things were not so political, then the response would likely be much greater, not less.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 2y ago
    What user data? Telemetry from using their antivirus products? Is that what they’re talking about?
  - throwaway290 2y ago
    Uhm if you read the kind of thing Aussie government hackers were doing lately... They are perfectly fine pissing off Russia:) (There are plenty of actual threats from there, just kaspersky doesn't seem one)