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The original article references cartels in Colombia, not Mexico. Also, the goal of the research is to prevent people from joining crime organizations, not how t

The original article references cartels in Colombia, not Mexico. Also, the goal of the research is to prevent people from joining crime organizations, not how to catch existing heads of criminal organizations. It's not clear what you implied by the text that you quoted.

walterbell 2y ago
cartels in Colombia, not Mexico https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/mexican-cartels-expand-their-presence-in-colombia/ https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/mexican-cartels-expand... > the Ombudsman’s Office, an agency of Colombia’s Public Ministry, highlights the presence and the areas of operations of three of the strongest Mexican drug cartels: the Jalisco New Generation Cartel, Los Zetas, and the Sinaloa Cartel.. there is a belief among foreign consumers that Colombian drugs are of high quality, so the narcos capitalize on that. the goal of the research is to prevent people from joining crime organizations, not how to catch existing heads of criminal organizations If budgets are constrained, which is a higher priority?
- defrost 2y ago
  Starving the body of the snake ? History suggests cutting off the head of a drug cartel is just a Tier 2 career advancement opportunity. Did the aquisition of Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán as a token trophy head put much of a dent in the ongoing activity of the Sinaloa Cartel Ship of Theseus? There's much to be said for understanding an organism (an entire cartel dynamic in this case) in order to eliminate it.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    Was this research the first social science project to seek an understanding of cartels? If not, what actions were taken based on previous social science research?
    - defrost 2y ago
      You asked a question, I offered an answer. > Was this research the first social science project to seek an understanding of cartels? Very probably not. Not in the US and not globally. > what actions were taken based on previous social science research? That'd be a question best answered by digging through the Hansards, Parliamentary Archives, Congressional Records, etc. of respective governments. Political history would suggest that many good suggestions of social change were likely ignored in favour of operations with a lot of smoke and noise.
      - walterbell 2y ago
        > Political history would suggest that many good suggestions of social change were likely ignored in favour of operations with a lot of smoke and noise. Likely to increase with terrorist designation, https://apnews.com/article/gangs-cartels-sinaloa-aragua-trump-terrorist-organizations-b223f4eb513105fb8d965f80a6cecfeb https://apnews.com/article/gangs-cartels-sinaloa-aragua-trum... Organizations sometimes optimize for the problem to which they are the solution, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39491863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39491863
        defrost 2y ago
        It might have been a smarter move by the US back in the day to extend USAID and collective forming business support to poor south american farmers rather than have the CIA indirectly fund cartels to run drugs into poor US communities in order to distance themselves from supplying arms to overthrow other governments. Today that horse is dead and well beaten .. but maybe guns will solve things this time 'round.
        walterbell 2y ago
        Tariffs are part of the current round.

walterbell 2y ago

cartels in Colombia, not Mexico https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/mexican-cartels-expand-their-presence-in-colombia/ https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/mexican-cartels-expand... > the Ombudsman’s Office, an agency of Colombia’s Public Ministry, highlights the presence and the areas of operations of three of the strongest Mexican drug cartels: the Jalisco New Generation Cartel, Los Zetas, and the Sinaloa Cartel.. there is a belief among foreign consumers that Colombian drugs are of high quality, so the narcos capitalize on that. the goal of the research is to prevent people from joining crime organizations, not how to catch existing heads of criminal organizations If budgets are constrained, which is a higher priority?

defrost 2y ago
Starving the body of the snake ? History suggests cutting off the head of a drug cartel is just a Tier 2 career advancement opportunity. Did the aquisition of Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán as a token trophy head put much of a dent in the ongoing activity of the Sinaloa Cartel Ship of Theseus? There's much to be said for understanding an organism (an entire cartel dynamic in this case) in order to eliminate it.
- walterbell 2y ago
  Was this research the first social science project to seek an understanding of cartels? If not, what actions were taken based on previous social science research?
  - defrost 2y ago
    You asked a question, I offered an answer. > Was this research the first social science project to seek an understanding of cartels? Very probably not. Not in the US and not globally. > what actions were taken based on previous social science research? That'd be a question best answered by digging through the Hansards, Parliamentary Archives, Congressional Records, etc. of respective governments. Political history would suggest that many good suggestions of social change were likely ignored in favour of operations with a lot of smoke and noise.
    - walterbell 2y ago
      > Political history would suggest that many good suggestions of social change were likely ignored in favour of operations with a lot of smoke and noise. Likely to increase with terrorist designation, https://apnews.com/article/gangs-cartels-sinaloa-aragua-trump-terrorist-organizations-b223f4eb513105fb8d965f80a6cecfeb https://apnews.com/article/gangs-cartels-sinaloa-aragua-trum... Organizations sometimes optimize for the problem to which they are the solution, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39491863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39491863
      - defrost 2y ago
        It might have been a smarter move by the US back in the day to extend USAID and collective forming business support to poor south american farmers rather than have the CIA indirectly fund cartels to run drugs into poor US communities in order to distance themselves from supplying arms to overthrow other governments. Today that horse is dead and well beaten .. but maybe guns will solve things this time 'round.
        walterbell 2y ago
        Tariffs are part of the current round.