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My thinking is on a few ideas about accountability. One is that, since Kagi subscriptions also help fund Orion (according to the Orion website), Kagi users tha

My thinking is on a few ideas about accountability. One is that, since Kagi subscriptions also help fund Orion (according to the Orion website), Kagi users that don't have Apple products can't actually verify the functionality of the browser they're helping to fund. That makes accountability hard in terms of Kagi users verifying that Orion is something they're happy to be funding. Maybe I would think it sucks and rather they not spend any of my money on Orion and send the entirety of my subscription to fund search? I don't know - I can't use Orion. Also, since Kagi subscriptions help to fund Orion, Orion is clearly not accountable only to users of Orion. In theory, Kagi users who don't/can't use Orion could demand that Kagi subscriptions stop funding Orion. Or they could theoretically say, "I'll only fund it if you start selling user data to make it possible to raise additional funds for a Windows port." That's probably not something that will happen, but the idea that Orion is solely accountable to users of Orion doesn't seem to be true, since Kagi users are also involved. Hell, if it means my Kagi subscription would get cheaper, sell the data. None of my data is in there, so I don't care. I just don't think this idea of Orion being accountable solely to the users funding it is true, basically.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> since Kagi subscriptions also help fund Orion (according to the Orion website), Kagi users that don't have Apple products can't actually verify the functionality of the browser they're helping to fund Well yes, if you don’t use Orion Kagi won’t be accountable to you as an Orion user. > the idea that Orion is solely accountable to users of Orion doesn't seem to be true Nobody claimed as much. The point is Kagi has some accountability to Orion users where Mozilla has almost none to Firefox users beyond their eyeballs.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> since Kagi subscriptions also help fund Orion (according to the Orion website), Kagi users that don't have Apple products can't actually verify the functionality of the browser they're helping to fund Well yes, if you don’t use Orion Kagi won’t be accountable to you as an Orion user. > the idea that Orion is solely accountable to users of Orion doesn't seem to be true Nobody claimed as much. The point is Kagi has some accountability to Orion users where Mozilla has almost none to Firefox users beyond their eyeballs.