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That's freedom for you -- you have a word 'diversity' in your grant -- no money.

Spivak 2y ago
I really do wonder where we lost the plot and where the opposition for diversity programs became legitimately insane. Like even if I agreed with them, and on some parts I do, I've never hated anything in my life with the intensity currently on display. Not the least of which because the group implementing these programs might be called naive or misguided, but are in good faith trying to improve things. I don't particularly care for most of the implementations of diversity programs but I'm not so blind as to not see POSIWID and that you have to actually look at the outcomes to identify cases where systems aren't as fair as they might seem on paper.
- sega_sai 2y ago
  I agree with this view completely. I think some of the programs probably went over the top in my view and I would not mind the pendulum swing back a little bit. But the current government seemed fixated for some reason and just want to kill it all and happy to act like a totalitarian state if you disagree.
  - Jtsummers 2y ago
    There's a contemporary belief amongst a large number of people that they're being persecuted. They've decided to "take charge" and become the persecutors themselves and think this is somehow reasonable. They weren't being persecuted in the first place, they're just delusional. Convincing them that they're delusional, of course, is not easy.
    - QuercusMax 2y ago
      They think people saying "your ideas are bad and we don't want to listen to you" is violence, and their idea of freedom of speech is that they should be able to force you to listen to them.
      - retox 2y ago
        In isolation, I would bet that people from both ends of the political spectrum could read this as about the other and be in complete agreement.
- mmooss 2y ago
  > I really do wonder where we lost the plot and where the opposition for diversity programs became legitimately insane. It's not about diversity programs - they don't care about that. Trump could shift positions and targets tomorrow, and they would go with him. It's about conditioning their movement to follow instructions and to commit horrors. They've been following the same strategy for decades: Choosing an enemy, demonizing them with continuous propaganda, and then encouraging hatred, violence, and complete contempt for morality, rights, compassion, and humanity. Other dangerous movements, from the Nazis to the Rwandan Hutus to more, invested a lot of time and effort in conditioning their followers to perpetrate horrors.
- jfengel 2y ago
  Not the least of which because the group implementing these programs might be called naive or misguided, but are in good faith trying to improve things. That's the problem. This campaign is not being carried out in good faith. They do not believe in good faith, and do not believe that others can have it. They believe their own bad faith is justified by everybody else's bad faith. Casting DEI programs as bad faith was fairly straightforward, since it plays into racist and ideological stereotypes. They're convinced that all of their own problems can be blamed on opportunities given to Those People. So that is where they are starting, with all the ferocity of people who firmly believe that they are being oppressed. That's this month. Just wait until next month.

I really do wonder where we lost the plot and where the opposition for diversity programs became legitimately insane. Like even if I agreed with them, and on some parts I do, I've never hated anything in my life with the intensity currently on display. Not the least of which because the group implementing these programs might be called naive or misguided, but are in good faith trying to improve things. I don't particularly care for most of the implementations of diversity programs but I'm not so blind as to not see POSIWID and that you have to actually look at the outcomes to identify cases where systems aren't as fair as they might seem on paper.

sega_sai 2y ago
I agree with this view completely. I think some of the programs probably went over the top in my view and I would not mind the pendulum swing back a little bit. But the current government seemed fixated for some reason and just want to kill it all and happy to act like a totalitarian state if you disagree.
- Jtsummers 2y ago
  There's a contemporary belief amongst a large number of people that they're being persecuted. They've decided to "take charge" and become the persecutors themselves and think this is somehow reasonable. They weren't being persecuted in the first place, they're just delusional. Convincing them that they're delusional, of course, is not easy.
  - QuercusMax 2y ago
    They think people saying "your ideas are bad and we don't want to listen to you" is violence, and their idea of freedom of speech is that they should be able to force you to listen to them.
    - retox 2y ago
      In isolation, I would bet that people from both ends of the political spectrum could read this as about the other and be in complete agreement.
mmooss 2y ago
> I really do wonder where we lost the plot and where the opposition for diversity programs became legitimately insane. It's not about diversity programs - they don't care about that. Trump could shift positions and targets tomorrow, and they would go with him. It's about conditioning their movement to follow instructions and to commit horrors. They've been following the same strategy for decades: Choosing an enemy, demonizing them with continuous propaganda, and then encouraging hatred, violence, and complete contempt for morality, rights, compassion, and humanity. Other dangerous movements, from the Nazis to the Rwandan Hutus to more, invested a lot of time and effort in conditioning their followers to perpetrate horrors.
jfengel 2y ago
Not the least of which because the group implementing these programs might be called naive or misguided, but are in good faith trying to improve things. That's the problem. This campaign is not being carried out in good faith. They do not believe in good faith, and do not believe that others can have it. They believe their own bad faith is justified by everybody else's bad faith. Casting DEI programs as bad faith was fairly straightforward, since it plays into racist and ideological stereotypes. They're convinced that all of their own problems can be blamed on opportunities given to Those People. So that is where they are starting, with all the ferocity of people who firmly believe that they are being oppressed. That's this month. Just wait until next month.