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The key cog is disinformation - see the outline of tactics in the OP thread, where it references using X to gain public support: One side has an effective machi
by mmooss 2y ago
The key cog is disinformation - see the outline of tactics in the OP thread, where it references using X to gain public support: One side has an effective machine, the other side has surrendered to the point where they won't even acknowledge the information warfare.
In the normal human social and political world, people respond negatively to this kind of behavior, and the leaders (elected officials and appointed ones) lose their power, careers, and reputations.
But with the disinformation machine, and with no effective opposition denouncing it or stopping it or offering effective countermessaging, the people conducting bad behavior can say whatever they want and get support, regardless of the absurdity or consequences - climate change; millions dying due to lack of health care (vaccines, pandemic, USAID programs, etc.); end of democracy and freedom; cruelty and brutality and brazen immorality; greed, fraud, crimes, etc.
Almost everyone I know has surrendered about disinformation; they embrace victimhood - i.e., because they are 'victims', any behavior is justified. James Carville, the leading Democratic political consultant, recently wrote a NY Times op-ed which counselled Democrats to literally roll over, do nothing, and the opposition - Trump, the GOP - will destroy itself. It's as bizarre as the things their opposition claims; it's also been an explicit strategy of the Democrats going back to at least Hillary Clinton's campaign - it's a proud embrace of cowardice (usually people hide it!). Who follows or listens to cowards and victims, who revel in their cowardice because it's justified by victimhood - who is inspired by it? Who votes for that? It seems like a disinformation campaign has taken over them too; that is the kind of psyops used in war against opposition troops (I'm not saying that's the case, but how insane it is that the Dems and others adopt the outlook that psyops tries to impose on their enemies).
Without effective messaging, there's nothing to do. If you put down all your guns (edit: metaphorically; i.e., your information warfare guns), you can't shoot back. Good people have enormous advantages in messaging: truth and goodness and decency; humans strongly prefer those things and can differentiate them to some degree - you can't fool all the people all the time.
They aren't absolute advantages at all. You can still lose, you have to fight hard. If you don't fight, you're going to see what we see today. If you want to stop them, take away their messaging and IMHO everything else falls.
- worik 2y agoI love what you say. I agree there must be a fight back. This has been cast as left/right - Ok. I can work with that. > If you put down all your guns, you can't shoot back. No. I urge those on the left, those who give a fuck, to fight back with with love and hope. The perpetrators of the coup in the USA got there spreading fear and hate. The temptation is to fight back with violence. But fascism thrives on violence and will only get stronger if you feed it. Love, and hope. That is what got a Obama elected - it works
- 9283409232 2y agoThe answer is community. It's why Republicans in some states are trying to ban collective bargaining. Invest in your communities and in each other.
- mmooss 2y agoHow do you build community, or influence others, without effective messaging and effective resistance to disinformation about your community? If you gain any power, they'll come after you and smear you, and create a mob to attack you, and then what?
- 9283409232 2y agoI'm not saying you are wrong about building effective channels of communication. The few leaders remaining of the dems agree with you but, knowing what to do after you build those channels of communication is important.
- mmooss 2y agoYes, I agree completely.
- SubiculumCode 2y agoI agree for now, but there may come a time where fire must be fought with fire. WWII would not have ended well without opposing armies.