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> Unlike women, men don't have a say in the birthing process but are nonetheless saddled with the consequences. Men don't have any say in whether or not they h

> Unlike women, men don't have a say in the birthing process but are nonetheless saddled with the consequences. Men don't have any say in whether or not they have unprotected sex? No. You've lost me. Not a single absentee father I've ever met has accused their baby mommas of sexual assault. That would obviously be a wildly different situation than the general trend I'm describing. It's also hugely offensive. If you don't want kids, you have a responsibility to not have unprotected sex. Take some damn accountability for your actions and accept the consequences.

Dracophoenix 2y ago
> Not a single absentee father I've ever met has accused their baby mommas of sexual assault When did anyone say anything about sexual assault? Sexual assault isn't the only way to violate an individual's agency in matters of parenthood. But since you brought it up, there have also been cases where a male victim was raped and still had to pay child support. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer > If you don't want kids, you have a responsibility to not have unprotected sex. Take some damn accountability for your actions and accept the consequences. There's more to birth than just unprotected sex. If you're suggesting that sex necessarily implies parental responsibility, that's on you to prove. The law already recognizes that sex is not an agreement to parenthood for women. However, the law is incoherent and inconsistent when it comes to men, a number of whom may not even be the biological fathers of the children they're "responsible" for.
- ForTheKidz 2y ago
  > Unlike women, men don't have a say in the birthing process but are nonetheless saddled with the consequences. The say is in not having sex. You have the individual agency to pay child support. If you can't, people will call you a deadbeat dad. Sorry.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    > The say is in not having sex Why is that unacceptable to say to women, but acceptable to say to men? When people say that to women they call them sexist, but the same people say that to men themselves, so obviously there is sexism here. I think if you accept that for men, you should accept it for women, and vice versa.
    - ForTheKidz 2y ago
      > Why is that unacceptable to say to women, but acceptable to say to men? Because this is typically in response to allegations of rape? I haven't really noticed any stigma associated with this sentiment outside of that context.

Dracophoenix 2y ago

> Not a single absentee father I've ever met has accused their baby mommas of sexual assault When did anyone say anything about sexual assault? Sexual assault isn't the only way to violate an individual's agency in matters of parenthood. But since you brought it up, there have also been cases where a male victim was raped and still had to pay child support. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer > If you don't want kids, you have a responsibility to not have unprotected sex. Take some damn accountability for your actions and accept the consequences. There's more to birth than just unprotected sex. If you're suggesting that sex necessarily implies parental responsibility, that's on you to prove. The law already recognizes that sex is not an agreement to parenthood for women. However, the law is incoherent and inconsistent when it comes to men, a number of whom may not even be the biological fathers of the children they're "responsible" for.

ForTheKidz 2y ago
> Unlike women, men don't have a say in the birthing process but are nonetheless saddled with the consequences. The say is in not having sex. You have the individual agency to pay child support. If you can't, people will call you a deadbeat dad. Sorry.
- Jensson 2y ago
  > The say is in not having sex Why is that unacceptable to say to women, but acceptable to say to men? When people say that to women they call them sexist, but the same people say that to men themselves, so obviously there is sexism here. I think if you accept that for men, you should accept it for women, and vice versa.
  - ForTheKidz 2y ago
    > Why is that unacceptable to say to women, but acceptable to say to men? Because this is typically in response to allegations of rape? I haven't really noticed any stigma associated with this sentiment outside of that context.