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I have been remotely working since 2020. There will be no return to office. The unspoken issue here is trust. Managers and execs at these RTO mandate companie

I have been remotely working since 2020. There will be no return to office. The unspoken issue here is trust. Managers and execs at these RTO mandate companies do not trust that the rank and file are working productively when not monitored in office. Why else would they want to lose hours to commuting, and not take advantage of their employees living in cheaper CoL areas? Because they don't truly trust their work output when not monitored in person, and the cost of higher salaries to afford housing near the office plus lost hours and energy commuting are worth buying the trust they otherwise don't feel they have. It's dysfunctional, but it makes sense. I am glad to work in a high trust work environment. I have seen people who abuse the system get let go. They deserve it.

hyperhopper 2y ago
> Why else would they want to lose hours to commuting, and not take advantage of their employees living in cheaper CoL areas? They abuse this and it definitely doesn't help the worker. As a Manhattan based worker who has lived in Aspen and Hawaii, Google wants to pay people in the higher COL areas of Aspen more than 30% less despite them being far more expensive than Aspen or Hawaii. They will fuck you with cost of living then if you expect more money they will say they are just following the cost of labor (which is a made up metric they can arbitrarily manipulate)
grandempire 2y ago
> not take advantage of their employees living in cheaper CoL areas Because talent tends to be worse in those areas. (Inb4 I know someone really good in a low cost area)
- antisthenes 2y ago
  You know people can move, right? I can move 20-30 miles in different directions within the same state that would land me in HCOL, MCOL and LCOL areas. Moving to any of these areas doesn't change my skill set to be better or worse.
  - grandempire 2y ago
    Yep. And what we see now is select employees with a lot of trust are able to negotiate remote work.

hyperhopper 2y ago

> Why else would they want to lose hours to commuting, and not take advantage of their employees living in cheaper CoL areas? They abuse this and it definitely doesn't help the worker. As a Manhattan based worker who has lived in Aspen and Hawaii, Google wants to pay people in the higher COL areas of Aspen more than 30% less despite them being far more expensive than Aspen or Hawaii. They will fuck you with cost of living then if you expect more money they will say they are just following the cost of labor (which is a made up metric they can arbitrarily manipulate)

grandempire 2y ago

> not take advantage of their employees living in cheaper CoL areas Because talent tends to be worse in those areas. (Inb4 I know someone really good in a low cost area)

antisthenes 2y ago
You know people can move, right? I can move 20-30 miles in different directions within the same state that would land me in HCOL, MCOL and LCOL areas. Moving to any of these areas doesn't change my skill set to be better or worse.
- grandempire 2y ago
  Yep. And what we see now is select employees with a lot of trust are able to negotiate remote work.