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@electromagnetic: kinda off topic, but there is an interesting debate on the roots of Autism - some psychologist believe that it has evolved out of a male copin

@electromagnetic: kinda off topic, but there is an interesting debate on the roots of Autism - some psychologist believe that it has evolved out of a male coping strategy for stress. As in, it gives the male mind access to the ability to sweep emotional data aside and operate in a utilitarian mode

electromagnetic 18y ago
That's actually quite interesting, it does seem to fit gender profiles quite well in that women are (generally) much more emotional than men, and the prevalence is 4:1 for presenting in males against females. I also wonder if the old "Children should be seen and not heard" helps with autistic children. I mean I know when I grew up it simply wasn't tolerated if I behaved badly, yet (I especially noticed this when I was still in school) I've noticed that people just a few years younger than me don't seem to have been taught to behave. I see people 15 years old (I'm 20) talking back to their parents in public, that's something that rarely happened when I was 15 and the people who did do that generally came from crappy families to begin with. I feel sorry for any child growing up today because I seriously feel they're not going to be disciplined correctly, and I don't mean like beatings as I never got hit once. I never got grounded once as a teenager, because by the time I even hit 10 I had a healthy respect of what my parents said. Come to think of it, I rarely even got punished between 11-17 years old (I say 17 because thats when I started work with my father, there was probably more work-related arguments between 17-20 than there was in my entire childhood) because I always did what I was told, it was sort of ingrained in me. Plus I think between 14-16 guilt worked 10x better than discipline.
- nihilocrat 18y ago
  It's not an age thing, your parents are just more traditional than normal. I am 23 and I never really knew what "talking back" meant, because my parents didn't think it was wrong, and I thought it was weird that there are families where children could not speak until they were spoken to. Knowing how extremely annoying and noisy kids can get, I understand the rationale from a utilitarian standpoint. I think it's sort of backwards and encourages a submissive personality, but it's much better than just putting up with it until you snap and beat the crap out of them like I've seen in some families. Guilt was a common disciplinary tool used and still sort of used by my mother. Guilt and getting yelled at and told you're useless and not good enough. I think whatever method is going to encourage self-discipline is the best. A strong willpower is a very useful tool, not only to control yourself but to know when other people are trying to control you; my brother has an amazingly strong one so I guess my parents didn't mess up, I can't quite say the same for myself but I think I'm pretty stubborn and stoic.

electromagnetic 18y ago

That's actually quite interesting, it does seem to fit gender profiles quite well in that women are (generally) much more emotional than men, and the prevalence is 4:1 for presenting in males against females. I also wonder if the old "Children should be seen and not heard" helps with autistic children. I mean I know when I grew up it simply wasn't tolerated if I behaved badly, yet (I especially noticed this when I was still in school) I've noticed that people just a few years younger than me don't seem to have been taught to behave. I see people 15 years old (I'm 20) talking back to their parents in public, that's something that rarely happened when I was 15 and the people who did do that generally came from crappy families to begin with. I feel sorry for any child growing up today because I seriously feel they're not going to be disciplined correctly, and I don't mean like beatings as I never got hit once. I never got grounded once as a teenager, because by the time I even hit 10 I had a healthy respect of what my parents said. Come to think of it, I rarely even got punished between 11-17 years old (I say 17 because thats when I started work with my father, there was probably more work-related arguments between 17-20 than there was in my entire childhood) because I always did what I was told, it was sort of ingrained in me. Plus I think between 14-16 guilt worked 10x better than discipline.

nihilocrat 18y ago
It's not an age thing, your parents are just more traditional than normal. I am 23 and I never really knew what "talking back" meant, because my parents didn't think it was wrong, and I thought it was weird that there are families where children could not speak until they were spoken to. Knowing how extremely annoying and noisy kids can get, I understand the rationale from a utilitarian standpoint. I think it's sort of backwards and encourages a submissive personality, but it's much better than just putting up with it until you snap and beat the crap out of them like I've seen in some families. Guilt was a common disciplinary tool used and still sort of used by my mother. Guilt and getting yelled at and told you're useless and not good enough. I think whatever method is going to encourage self-discipline is the best. A strong willpower is a very useful tool, not only to control yourself but to know when other people are trying to control you; my brother has an amazingly strong one so I guess my parents didn't mess up, I can't quite say the same for myself but I think I'm pretty stubborn and stoic.