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And OpenAI based their tech on a Google paper again building on years of public academic research so what's the point exactly here? OpenAI was just first out o

And OpenAI based their tech on a Google paper again building on years of public academic research so what's the point exactly here? OpenAI was just first out of the gates, there'll always be some company that's first, essence is how they handle their leadership, and they've sadly been absolutely terrible and scummy. Actually i think Google was a pretty good example of the exact opposite, decades of "actually not being evil", while openAI switched up 1 second after launch.

nickthegreek 2y ago
> so what’s the point exactly here. What is your point? OpenAI wasn’t the first out of that gate as your own argument cites Google prior. All these companies are predatory, who is arguing against that? OP said OpenAi was irrelevant. That’s just dumb. They are not. Feel free to advance an argument in favor of that narrative if you wish as I was just trying to provide a single example that shows that some of these lightweight models are building directly off the backs of giants spending the big money. I find nothing wrong with distillation and am excited about companies like DeepSeek.
ipaddr 2y ago
Google wasn't the first search engine but they were the best marketing google = search. That's where we are with openai. Google search was a better product at the time and chatGPT 3.5 was a breakthrough the public used. Fast forward and some will say Google isn't the best search engine anymore (kagi, duckduckgo, yandex offer different experiences) but people still think of google=search. Same with chatGPT. Claude may be better for coding or gemini better are searching or Deepseek cheaper but equal but chatGPT is a verb and will live on like Intel inside long after it's actual value has declined.
- williamcotton 2y ago
  Google was so much better than AltaVista that I just can’t buy that it was marketing that pushed them to the forefront of search.
  - ipaddr 2y ago
    Having a good product is marketing and parallels chatgpt
- Jweb_Guru 2y ago
  > Google wasn't the first search engine but they were the best marketing google = search Google's overwhelming victory in search had ~ nothing to do with marketing.
  - ipaddr 2y ago
    Ever heard the term to google something. Viral marketing is still marketing.
    - kbelder 2y ago
      That happened long after they completely dominated search. They succeeded because of quality, and because of how low quality all the other engines were. There was a time when Google was thought of as a respectable, high-quality, smart and nimble company. That has faded as the marketing grew.
TheKGB 2y ago
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nickthegreek 2y ago

> so what’s the point exactly here. What is your point? OpenAI wasn’t the first out of that gate as your own argument cites Google prior. All these companies are predatory, who is arguing against that? OP said OpenAi was irrelevant. That’s just dumb. They are not. Feel free to advance an argument in favor of that narrative if you wish as I was just trying to provide a single example that shows that some of these lightweight models are building directly off the backs of giants spending the big money. I find nothing wrong with distillation and am excited about companies like DeepSeek.

ipaddr 2y ago

Google wasn't the first search engine but they were the best marketing google = search. That's where we are with openai. Google search was a better product at the time and chatGPT 3.5 was a breakthrough the public used. Fast forward and some will say Google isn't the best search engine anymore (kagi, duckduckgo, yandex offer different experiences) but people still think of google=search. Same with chatGPT. Claude may be better for coding or gemini better are searching or Deepseek cheaper but equal but chatGPT is a verb and will live on like Intel inside long after it's actual value has declined.

williamcotton 2y ago
Google was so much better than AltaVista that I just can’t buy that it was marketing that pushed them to the forefront of search.
- ipaddr 2y ago
  Having a good product is marketing and parallels chatgpt
Jweb_Guru 2y ago
> Google wasn't the first search engine but they were the best marketing google = search Google's overwhelming victory in search had ~ nothing to do with marketing.
- ipaddr 2y ago
  Ever heard the term to google something. Viral marketing is still marketing.
  - kbelder 2y ago
    That happened long after they completely dominated search. They succeeded because of quality, and because of how low quality all the other engines were. There was a time when Google was thought of as a respectable, high-quality, smart and nimble company. That has faded as the marketing grew.

TheKGB 2y ago

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