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Loans create deposits, as outlined in this document from the Bank of England: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-bulletin/2014/money-cr
by hgomersall 2y ago
Loans create deposits, as outlined in this document from the Bank of England: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-bulletin/2014/money-creation-in-the-modern-economy.pdf https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-...
These deposits can move between banks along with an associated asset.
Balance sheets always balance. Most of the balancing asset against a deposit is a loan. This is how banks make money and arguably their purpose. You can see the balance sheet of HSBC here (page 12):
https://www.hsbc.com/-/files/hsbc/investors/hsbc-results/2023/annual/pdfs/hsbc-uk-bank-plc/240221-annual-report-and-accounts-2023.pdf https://www.hsbc.com/-/files/hsbc/investors/hsbc-results/202...
It's clear that the majority of their assets are loans as expected. Then a fair chunk of reserves which reflects transfers from other banks (which hold a corresponding loan asset) or payments from the government. Finally there's a smallish quantity of financial investments that includes government bonds.
Bonds are just a floating price asset swap for reserves so the reserves must exist (have been spent) before the bond sale can happen. That is, governments don't borrow money until after the spend. In the case of the UK, this is shown in the following paper:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4890683 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4890683
You seem to be of the understanding that there's a one to one correspondence between stuff and money, which a moments consideration of the endogenous nature of money (as described into BoE paper) would highlight as flawed. If you're suggesting something else by your point that savings imply a drop in consumption, please do clarify.
It feels like your understanding comes from an economics course, which generally bears no relation to actual monetary operations and understanding, rather reflecting the particular philosophical bent of the economic school.
- dreghgh 2y agoThanks, I know and agree that loans create deposits. Sadly this underrated fact seems to have thrown you a bit, to the point where a lot of what you say is just nonsense. What does this mean? "Bonds are just a floating price asset swap for reserves so the reserves must exist (have been spent) before the bond sale can happen." Are you able to explain what your understanding of liquidity is? Do you know what it means for loans to be funded by deposits? Do you know the origin of the equation between investments and savings and how it is justified? You are giving the exact impression of someone who used to believe a flawed theory of money creation, watched the Netflix documentary about bank money and has lost it a little bit.