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> If there is no alternative to supporting Mozilla, how do we keep them accountable? If they know that they're the only hope for a cross-platform browser that i
by aquova 2y ago
> If there is no alternative to supporting Mozilla, how do we keep them accountable? If they know that they're the only hope for a cross-platform browser that isn't developed by Google, then they know that any outrage is a bluff that can't have teeth because they're indispensable.
Except they're not indispensable. They're now the fourth place browser in terms of market share on a good day, and dwindling. They need all the good will they can get, and this sort of discussion amongst their most hardcore audience is exactly what keeps them accountable.
- AstralStorm 2y agoCan you name other browser engines in play? I'm waiting. While neither Mozilla nor Firefox are not indispensable, Gecko is. We literally have three working rendering engines: Chromium/V3, Gecko/Spidermonkey and ... Long nothing ... WebKit/KHTML?
- Philpax 2y agoLadybird and Servo are coming up, but I suppose you're covering that with "working".
- Laesx 2y agoServo is still going? Thought it was pretty much on life support after being abandoned by Mozilla.
- LoganDark 2y agoServo as a fully-featured web browser does indeed not seem to exist anymore but some of its components such as Webrender still do and are actively maintained.
- johnny22 2y agoservo was never a fully featured web browser and was never proposed to be iirc. It was proposed as experimental from the start. The most we got at the time was browser.html
- LoganDark 2y agoBack in... 2018? there was a Servo binary you could download that had an address bar and could be used to browse the web. That actually started to get stripped down over time, the later binaries had less and less functionality, until now I don't even think there are any. Servo spearheaded a lot of projects, like bindings to macOS frameworks from Rust, that would have been used to create a more comprehensive browser, but then got torn down once the larger thing was canceled in favor of certain components, like webrender. I don't know when exactly it was canceled - maybe around the time Firefox Quantum shipped. Note that I never said it was ever not experimental. Just that it would have been more until it was canceled.
- yencabulator 2y agoservoshell exists today. Their focus has definitely been in the rendering etc and not in developing browser UI, but that's understandable. https://book.servo.org/running-servoshell.html https://book.servo.org/running-servoshell.html
- fabrice_d 2y agoYes, it was revived by Igalia, and has good momentum. Check https://servo.org https://servo.org
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Can you name other browser engines in play? WebKit. Also, the only thing keeping Chromium a Google monopoly is Europe, China and India’s concession.
- BoredPositron 2y agoWhat’s the problem with WebKit?
- djao 2y agoNothing is wrong with WebKit, but it's not really a separate rendering engine, and the discussion is about separate rendering engines. Chromium's heritage derives from WebKit.