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Is that the same Brave that injected their crypto functionality into the HTML of sites downloaded over HTTPS, like Twitter? I don't trust them

by dwedge 2y ago

econ 2y ago
It's fast tho, really fast
- hasperdi 2y ago
  Chrome is also fast
  - econ 2y ago
    I have some shamefully bloated webpages and some rather low end computes. I don't know why or how and realize it is highly anecdotal. Just sharing my surprise. I don't have any extensions. (if you do add things to chrome that are native in brave I imagine it to work slower) Perhaps it is my limited ram that holds back (the more memory hungry) chrome. Not sure how regularly calling home affects chrome.
AshamedCaptain 2y ago
Brave's entire business model is pretty explicitly about selling your data for targeted advertisements. I find it unreasonable to even suggest Brave as an alternative if your concern with Mozilla is the "selling your data" language. Also re MitM'ing for crypto mining: I was never in favor of pushing Brendan out of Mozilla for being a supposed right-wing nut, but I am not surprised either to see that, given free reign, he _is_ a right-wing nut.
- homebrewer 2y ago
  There's even more FUD about Brave than there is about Mozilla. Brave downloads all ads and decides on what it shows you locally; the data never leaves your machine. You also have to opt-in into this system, it is disabled by default.
- jqpabc123 2y ago
  Brave's entire business model is pretty explicitly about selling your data So you're saying their Privacy Policy is a lie: "Our company does not store any record of people’s browsing history." https://brave.com/privacy/browser/ https://brave.com/privacy/browser/
kristjank 2y ago
That sounds like the Brave Rewards system that's opt-in afaik. It's a grift, but so far one that at least provides a decent user experience while being somewhere in the ballpark of just as bad as Firefox could be extrapolated to become in the near future. Firefox's sponsored startpage blocks and search suggestions are opt-out features. If you don't trust an opt-in system, you should trust an opt-out one even less.
- dwedge 2y ago
  If it's opt-in now that's an improvement. When I was using Brave around 2018ish it appeared as part of an update. Companies trying to 'redefine' advertising always make me suspicious - it's similar to what Mozilla has been trying to do over the last couple of years.
Dwedit 2y ago
Literally every browser extension injects itself into a visited web page.
deadbabe 2y ago
You just don’t want to trust them, but you should now. That was 7 years ago.
- dwedge 2y ago
  Maybe, it's also the time I uninstalled it. Maybe it's a completely different company now, or maybe it's the same one. Briefly checking controversies on Wikipedia and since then they've installed promoted VPNS, and pretending to be Tom Scott to solicit donations: https://web.archive.org/web/20181224011529/https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1076160979388518407 https://web.archive.org/web/20181224011529/https://twitter.c... What we do catch makes me decide how much to trust companies to do what we don't see. Mozilla becoming untrustworthy doesn't make another company trustworthy.

Is that the same Brave that injected their crypto functionality into the HTML of sites downloaded over HTTPS, like Twitter? I don't trust them

by dwedge 2y ago

Is that the same Brave that injected their crypto functionality into the HTML of sites downloaded over HTTPS, like Twitter? I don't trust them

econ 2y ago

It's fast tho, really fast

hasperdi 2y ago
Chrome is also fast
- econ 2y ago
  I have some shamefully bloated webpages and some rather low end computes. I don't know why or how and realize it is highly anecdotal. Just sharing my surprise. I don't have any extensions. (if you do add things to chrome that are native in brave I imagine it to work slower) Perhaps it is my limited ram that holds back (the more memory hungry) chrome. Not sure how regularly calling home affects chrome.

AshamedCaptain 2y ago

Brave's entire business model is pretty explicitly about selling your data for targeted advertisements. I find it unreasonable to even suggest Brave as an alternative if your concern with Mozilla is the "selling your data" language. Also re MitM'ing for crypto mining: I was never in favor of pushing Brendan out of Mozilla for being a supposed right-wing nut, but I am not surprised either to see that, given free reign, he _is_ a right-wing nut.

homebrewer 2y ago
There's even more FUD about Brave than there is about Mozilla. Brave downloads all ads and decides on what it shows you locally; the data never leaves your machine. You also have to opt-in into this system, it is disabled by default.
jqpabc123 2y ago
Brave's entire business model is pretty explicitly about selling your data So you're saying their Privacy Policy is a lie: "Our company does not store any record of people’s browsing history." https://brave.com/privacy/browser/ https://brave.com/privacy/browser/

kristjank 2y ago

That sounds like the Brave Rewards system that's opt-in afaik. It's a grift, but so far one that at least provides a decent user experience while being somewhere in the ballpark of just as bad as Firefox could be extrapolated to become in the near future. Firefox's sponsored startpage blocks and search suggestions are opt-out features. If you don't trust an opt-in system, you should trust an opt-out one even less.

dwedge 2y ago
If it's opt-in now that's an improvement. When I was using Brave around 2018ish it appeared as part of an update. Companies trying to 'redefine' advertising always make me suspicious - it's similar to what Mozilla has been trying to do over the last couple of years.

Dwedit 2y ago

Literally every browser extension injects itself into a visited web page.

deadbabe 2y ago

You just don’t want to trust them, but you should now. That was 7 years ago.

dwedge 2y ago
Maybe, it's also the time I uninstalled it. Maybe it's a completely different company now, or maybe it's the same one. Briefly checking controversies on Wikipedia and since then they've installed promoted VPNS, and pretending to be Tom Scott to solicit donations: https://web.archive.org/web/20181224011529/https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1076160979388518407 https://web.archive.org/web/20181224011529/https://twitter.c... What we do catch makes me decide how much to trust companies to do what we don't see. Mozilla becoming untrustworthy doesn't make another company trustworthy.