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What the fuck? She did everything right. She had a passport, an entry visa, and a return ticket? Don’t visit the US. Don’t come here and spend your money. Don’

What the fuck? She did everything right. She had a passport, an entry visa, and a return ticket? Don’t visit the US. Don’t come here and spend your money. Don’t send your kids to our universities. Don’t vacation here. Stay away for the next 4 or so years. It’s clear this administration is brain dead and can’t govern. From the article: “Brösche had her German passport, confirmation of her visa waiver to enter the country, along with a copy of her return ticket back to Berlin, Lofving said. A U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agent pulled Brösche aside for a secondary inspection. “I look at her and go, ‘I’m going to wait right outside for you,’” Lofving recalled. She didn’t know it then, but it would be 25 days before Lofving would see her friend again. Brösche would spend that time in federal detention, where she remains, waiting for a deportation flight back to Berlin.”

gigatexal 2y ago
Also from the article:”CBP agents at the border accused Brösche of planning to violate the terms of the visa waiver program by intending to work as a tattoo artist during her trip to LA, Lofving said.” Though the article doesn’t say when they determined that, how they could have known, and anything from the woman detained.
- zolbrek 2y ago
  I read an article in the German press about it a few weeks ago, she had her tattoo equipment with her and that was what aroused suspicion. According to her and her friend it was so she could tattoo her friend during her visit.
- chronos00 2y ago
  They ask questions during the customs process, the typical “business or pleasure” thing. And if the agent senses any deception, you are sent with another officer that will interrogate you. What I don’t understand is why she was detained, immigration officer are allowed to deny entry to tourists. This whole ordeal could have been avoided if she was allowed to go back to Mexico and rearrange travel to Germany.
  - jaltekruse 2y ago
    While I think the detention was completely unnecessary and cruel. It appears that her Instagram still lists dates she was planning to be in LA, right after a date range of being in Mexico, with a request for DMs under it for scheduling an appointment. It seems like this phrasing in the article of "accused of maybe violating her visa" could have disclosed that she looks to have a public declaration of her intent to work.
    - gigatexal 2y ago
      Could be that in this case they were correct but then deport her after 72 hours not 25 days
- seb1204 2y ago
  I read that part of the visa application does include social media accounts and a lot of other details, such as funds, medical insurance and history and more. So they can just check. If she stated as an occupation she's a tattoo artist then that does not even involve social media checking.
- taway123124846 2y ago
  They check social media and might even demand access to your email. The latter happened to an acquaintance of mine who wanted to do a 1-month internship at a university for a project but was only able to get a tourist visa. At the airport in the US the border guards got suspicious, demanded access to her laptop and when they found an email about the internship, she was put on a flight back to the netherlands immediately.
7bit 2y ago
> Stay away for the next 4 or so years. It’s clear this administration is brain dead and can’t govern. That government was elected by the majority of Americans, and continue to be supported by them. Blaming this in the administration alone is too easy and hoping this American problem will just go away after Trump's legislation period is naive. If the majority of Americans don't receive a proper education and open their eyes to what their decisions do to your country, the following 4 years will be hust as awful.
- pm90 2y ago
  > and continue to be supported by them. debatable, poll numbers are cratering
- EfficientDude 2y ago
  If only the right combination of educational materials could be concocted to destroy illiberal thought...
  - 7bit 2y ago
    I guess supporting a president that does not care about laws and is demanding the very democratic structures that allow you to vote in the first place falls under free speech. But an educated person would NEVER vote to have his rights removed. Maybe you should educate yourself instead of just angrily making accusations
    - EfficientDude 2y ago
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- decremental 2y ago
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- nickthegreek 2y ago
  Trump was not elected by a majority of voters. He received 49.7% of the popular vote.
gnfargbl 2y ago
In fairness, VWP travel to the US in circumstances that mean you might be considered to be working there has not been a good idea under any administration. If you're a professional tattoo artist and you arrive for a month with tattoo equipment and the stated intent of "making art" during that time, it's pretty clear what you're going to be doing. What is concerning here, as an occasional bona fide business visitor to the US, is that it was always my expectation that if I were refused for some reason then I would just find myself turned around and placed on the next flight back. Seeing someone held in a private, for-profit, detention centre for an extended time period is not the behaviour I had previously expected from the US. It is a worry.
- jstummbillig 2y ago
  I guess you might call that deterrence
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - suddenlybananas 2y ago
    It's wildly disproportionate however.
- est31 2y ago
  She tried to enter the USA from Tijuana. From what I read, they are extra strict at the land border to Mexico. General advice to tourists that I read is to not to enter the USA from there. Environments always determine how law enforcement treats you. If you are in a place where there is many poor people, you will get a different treatment compared to one for rich people.
- soneil 2y ago
  I have a sibling who was deported from the US (long, stupid story). There was a 6 month gap from when we'd been told he'd been deported, to when he was actually deported. And this was 15-20 years ago, it's not a recent change. It is absolutely a system that's designed to disappear people. It's just headcount for income, no-one cares who those heads belong to.
o-o- 2y ago
Unless The People do something, it's probably going to be much more than four years. I think the administration, whoever that is, is far from brain dead, even if their puppets may be.
filleduchaos 2y ago
> What the fuck? She did everything right. She had a passport, an entry visa, and a return ticket? None of that is guarantee of entry into the US, which is completely at the discretion of the CBP officer. And the protocol on denial of entry for much longer than this administration has been around is to detain you until you can be put on a flight back to your country of origin. The saga also goes on your record, and you will have to mention & explain it in the DS-160 form for any future visa applications. Those of us from certain countries who've had cause to visit the US have been well aware of this for decades, with the corresponding game you have to play with the CBP officer (Everything is designed to trip you up. Have every possible document on hand, even if not explicitly mentioned as a requirement. Never use certain trigger words (like work) even if travelling on company time, instead say that it's a business trip. And so on). It's not even unique to the US either, though US border (and embassy) officials IMO tend to have a pretty big chip on their shoulders. The only place I've had a more hostile experience is the Maldives (the manager of my hotel very kindly vouched that I would leave the country on my return ticket date even though we hadn't spoken at all before my rather frantic call to him, which was the only thing that swayed them enough to let me leave the airport).
- gigatexal 2y ago
  Fine then why was she kept for 25 days…
  - filleduchaos 2y ago
    Because there is strictly speaking no time limit on how long US customs is allowed to detain non-citizens. IIRC the only limits are 2 days for you to be taken to a facility (so you're not just being held in an interrogation room in an airport or wherever), and 90 days for you to be removed once there is an order for your deportation. The actual detention in between is limitless. Of course there's incentive to keep people moving through (and most people have a home country/embassy that they can eventually appeal to to expedite things), so in practice it isn't literally a de facto life sentence. These are things that have been happening at your borders (and, in different forms, at other borders around the world) for years - you're just less likely to see it if you have one of the strongest passports in the world. But to be fair, whenever you wake up is your own morning.

gigatexal 2y ago

Also from the article:”CBP agents at the border accused Brösche of planning to violate the terms of the visa waiver program by intending to work as a tattoo artist during her trip to LA, Lofving said.” Though the article doesn’t say when they determined that, how they could have known, and anything from the woman detained.

zolbrek 2y ago
I read an article in the German press about it a few weeks ago, she had her tattoo equipment with her and that was what aroused suspicion. According to her and her friend it was so she could tattoo her friend during her visit.
chronos00 2y ago
They ask questions during the customs process, the typical “business or pleasure” thing. And if the agent senses any deception, you are sent with another officer that will interrogate you. What I don’t understand is why she was detained, immigration officer are allowed to deny entry to tourists. This whole ordeal could have been avoided if she was allowed to go back to Mexico and rearrange travel to Germany.
- jaltekruse 2y ago
  While I think the detention was completely unnecessary and cruel. It appears that her Instagram still lists dates she was planning to be in LA, right after a date range of being in Mexico, with a request for DMs under it for scheduling an appointment. It seems like this phrasing in the article of "accused of maybe violating her visa" could have disclosed that she looks to have a public declaration of her intent to work.
  - gigatexal 2y ago
    Could be that in this case they were correct but then deport her after 72 hours not 25 days
seb1204 2y ago
I read that part of the visa application does include social media accounts and a lot of other details, such as funds, medical insurance and history and more. So they can just check. If she stated as an occupation she's a tattoo artist then that does not even involve social media checking.
taway123124846 2y ago
They check social media and might even demand access to your email. The latter happened to an acquaintance of mine who wanted to do a 1-month internship at a university for a project but was only able to get a tourist visa. At the airport in the US the border guards got suspicious, demanded access to her laptop and when they found an email about the internship, she was put on a flight back to the netherlands immediately.

7bit 2y ago

> Stay away for the next 4 or so years. It’s clear this administration is brain dead and can’t govern. That government was elected by the majority of Americans, and continue to be supported by them. Blaming this in the administration alone is too easy and hoping this American problem will just go away after Trump's legislation period is naive. If the majority of Americans don't receive a proper education and open their eyes to what their decisions do to your country, the following 4 years will be hust as awful.

pm90 2y ago
> and continue to be supported by them. debatable, poll numbers are cratering
EfficientDude 2y ago
If only the right combination of educational materials could be concocted to destroy illiberal thought...
- 7bit 2y ago
  I guess supporting a president that does not care about laws and is demanding the very democratic structures that allow you to vote in the first place falls under free speech. But an educated person would NEVER vote to have his rights removed. Maybe you should educate yourself instead of just angrily making accusations
  - EfficientDude 2y ago
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decremental 2y ago
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nickthegreek 2y ago
Trump was not elected by a majority of voters. He received 49.7% of the popular vote.

gnfargbl 2y ago

In fairness, VWP travel to the US in circumstances that mean you might be considered to be working there has not been a good idea under any administration. If you're a professional tattoo artist and you arrive for a month with tattoo equipment and the stated intent of "making art" during that time, it's pretty clear what you're going to be doing. What is concerning here, as an occasional bona fide business visitor to the US, is that it was always my expectation that if I were refused for some reason then I would just find myself turned around and placed on the next flight back. Seeing someone held in a private, for-profit, detention centre for an extended time period is not the behaviour I had previously expected from the US. It is a worry.

jstummbillig 2y ago
I guess you might call that deterrence
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- suddenlybananas 2y ago
  It's wildly disproportionate however.
est31 2y ago
She tried to enter the USA from Tijuana. From what I read, they are extra strict at the land border to Mexico. General advice to tourists that I read is to not to enter the USA from there. Environments always determine how law enforcement treats you. If you are in a place where there is many poor people, you will get a different treatment compared to one for rich people.
soneil 2y ago
I have a sibling who was deported from the US (long, stupid story). There was a 6 month gap from when we'd been told he'd been deported, to when he was actually deported. And this was 15-20 years ago, it's not a recent change. It is absolutely a system that's designed to disappear people. It's just headcount for income, no-one cares who those heads belong to.

o-o- 2y ago

Unless The People do something, it's probably going to be much more than four years. I think the administration, whoever that is, is far from brain dead, even if their puppets may be.

filleduchaos 2y ago

> What the fuck? She did everything right. She had a passport, an entry visa, and a return ticket? None of that is guarantee of entry into the US, which is completely at the discretion of the CBP officer. And the protocol on denial of entry for much longer than this administration has been around is to detain you until you can be put on a flight back to your country of origin. The saga also goes on your record, and you will have to mention & explain it in the DS-160 form for any future visa applications. Those of us from certain countries who've had cause to visit the US have been well aware of this for decades, with the corresponding game you have to play with the CBP officer (Everything is designed to trip you up. Have every possible document on hand, even if not explicitly mentioned as a requirement. Never use certain trigger words (like work) even if travelling on company time, instead say that it's a business trip. And so on). It's not even unique to the US either, though US border (and embassy) officials IMO tend to have a pretty big chip on their shoulders. The only place I've had a more hostile experience is the Maldives (the manager of my hotel very kindly vouched that I would leave the country on my return ticket date even though we hadn't spoken at all before my rather frantic call to him, which was the only thing that swayed them enough to let me leave the airport).

gigatexal 2y ago
Fine then why was she kept for 25 days…
- filleduchaos 2y ago
  Because there is strictly speaking no time limit on how long US customs is allowed to detain non-citizens. IIRC the only limits are 2 days for you to be taken to a facility (so you're not just being held in an interrogation room in an airport or wherever), and 90 days for you to be removed once there is an order for your deportation. The actual detention in between is limitless. Of course there's incentive to keep people moving through (and most people have a home country/embassy that they can eventually appeal to to expedite things), so in practice it isn't literally a de facto life sentence. These are things that have been happening at your borders (and, in different forms, at other borders around the world) for years - you're just less likely to see it if you have one of the strongest passports in the world. But to be fair, whenever you wake up is your own morning.