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I’m not saying what’s true, I’m saying what is useful to argue. The goal is to convince other people, not to rah-rah the already-believers. Trivially: these w
by llamaimperative 2y ago
I’m not saying what’s true, I’m saying what is useful to argue.
The goal is to convince other people, not to rah-rah the already-believers.
Trivially: these websites go back up in a few days, is that more convincingly malice or just “these people don’t know how to operate a government?”
- smallmancontrov 2y agoDemocratic turnout was a problem in the 2024 election. Rah-rah is important, like it or not.
- llamaimperative 2y agoAnd do you have evidence to suggest more people would’ve been activated by more “he’s a fascist” messaging?
- smallmancontrov 2y agoYou open with "IMO" but want evidence from me? Lol. There were many dems who remembered Trump as the funny orange man, didn't really care to turn out against him, and fell for the "both sides bad" messaging that was absolutely rampant on the left (esp with regard to Kamala and Palestine). So no, I don't think the most important rally-the-base rhetoric was to ratchet up "Trump is Fascist" so much as suppress "Both Sides Bad" while we had an election to win.
- ethbr1 2y agoBoth sides were bad. Biden and Kamala were terrible candidates for the Democrats to run, and their campaign positioning lacked a unifying aspirational message. What was Kamala's 2024 campaign slogan?
- someothherguyy 2y agoWe're not going back?
- ethbr1 2y agoExactly.
- datavirtue 2y agoWhich was a horrendously stupid tag line. All people saw was "prices not going back." Everyone in America remembers simpler, better times. 1990s race relations alone were far better than they are now. I saw that slogan and cringed immediately.
- datavirtue 2y agoSorry downvoters, I'm no MAGA cultist, it's just the worst slogan ever.
- llamaimperative 2y ago"IMO" means "in my opinion." You made a statement as a fact, which is why I asked for evidence. Lol. Agreed the "both sides bad" messaging was a huge factor here. But that's exactly why we should talk about these fuckups as questions of competence. They are unambiguous evidence of a difference in both sides' ability to actually operate a government!
- croes 2y agoThen incompetence as as reason isn’t useful. If it’s malice then it’s an attack. You have react differently to an attack than to incompetence. The EU made the same mistake with Trump‘s appeasement to Putin. They hoped it’s some kind of clever negotiation tactic but they learned it’s not. It’s just two autocrats teaming up at the expense of Ukraine.
- llamaimperative 2y agoThat is not even close to analogous. Meh, feel free to disagree. How many MAGA voters do you talk to on a daily basis?
- croes 2y agoIn person? None. Online? More than enough and they show the same kind of malice like our own type of MAGA: AfD voters