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by TomK32 2y ago
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- drysine 2y agoThat's what people say about the US here in Russia. Don't you think this kind of thinking is a dead end?
- defrost 2y agoIt's entirely probable both groups of citizens are correct and that neither nation can be trusted to not infiltrate the infrastructure of the other.
- jonahbenton 2y agoInterests of power are not always aligned with those of majority of citizens. In both there is very high misalignment now. World still lacks political systems that align leadership representation with citizen interest.
- bigyabai 2y agoA lot of it stems from justified, systemic mistrust, eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopreparat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopreparat The road to perestroika and glasnost hit a dead end a loooooong time ago. Global diplomatic reform simply isn't possible with a Putin administration in control of Russia. They refuse to honor their word and therefore are impossible to negotiate with on good-faith terms.
- noduerme 2y agoIt's not just that. The Russian "government", that is, the mafia, has no accountability to Russian citizens whatsoever. The entire power structure of a vast country is based on fear. Nothing more. It's been that way for centuries. That alone makes it impossible to negotiate in good faith, because what is dangerous to the Russian oligarchy about democracy is the existence of democracy, anywhere. The existence of democracy, the very whisper of it, as they learned from the Cold War, is ipso facto a threat to their absolute control over their own population. It will always represent a threat. This is why it's so shameful for America to turn its back on Ukraine, and why no one is surprised that Iran and China and North Korea are friendly with Russia. Their shared interest is in preventing their own masses of people from being allowed to squeak a single word of protest. And they are hollow, weak regimes because of it; they are terrified of the openness of Western societies. The current modality of "free speech" being the rallying cry for the pro-Russian contingent in the West is all the more absurd on its face for that reason.
- tstrimple 2y agoIt would take a complete fool of a national leader to place any trust in either the US or Russia. Both have clearly and repeatedly demonstrated that deals and agreements and treaties mean absolutely nothing beyond 4-8 years.