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Real quiet in here on the comments, can’t figure out why he’s acting like this right? Maybe because he’s attacking the country on behalf of some other world po
by fieldcny 2y ago
Real quiet in here on the comments, can’t figure out why he’s acting like this right?
Maybe because he’s attacking the country on behalf of some other world power
Just common sense
- ceph_ 2y agoSadly the other power here is turbotax/intuit :(
- DANmode 2y agoI was going to say, Intuit could simply have given/owe Musk a solid favor for this.
- TheAlchemist 2y agoPeople give up on commenting on this stuff, since the threads are silenced and flagged very quickly.
- maeil 2y agoYup, they're permaflagged and HN knowingly lets them go by even though they could do differently. Case in point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43208973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43208973. Seems exceedingly likely that this one too would've gotten auto-perma-flagged, but then a button was pushed to undo this as a one-off that is not applied to all these other cases. Of course @dang is free to prove us wrong and explain the discrepancy.
- dang 2y agoAs I said in my sibling comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43227619 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43227619), this stuff has been by far the most-discussed on HN in recent weeks. Nothing else comes close. I I listed 49 threads in that post. If we throw in the thread you mention (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43208973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43208973), that's 50 threads with over 30k comments. That's an underestimate though, since the list is far from comprehensive. Let's conservatively bump the number up to 40k comments. That's over 1000 comments a day and well over 10% of the total comments that have been posted to HN during this period. From my perspective that's not the same as "letting it go by".
- TheAlchemist 2y agoHmm, that's interesting dang. I'm almost never seeing any 'muskdogeness' posts (nice name !) on the first page. I'm looking at new posts, with showdead = True. Would you have a stat on all those posts, if they were flagged at some point, and then un-flagged later ?
- defrost 2y agoYou can also look at https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active and note that GSA Eliminates 18F (nextgov.com) 471 points by patcon 15 hours ago | flag | 412 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43221549 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43221549 is an much earlier version of this submissions story .. and still actively being commented upon.
- TheAlchemist 2y agoWhat's the 'active' page ? Wasn't aware of it.
- defrost 2y ago'Active' with respect to comment churn. Might not be the front page but it's where all the comment turnover is happening. In many ways the opposite of well paced deeply considered exchanges.
- dang 2y agoIt's on the /lists page that's linked in every HN footer: https://news.ycombinator.com/lists https://news.ycombinator.com/lists.
- dang 2y agoI looked at the frontpage time of those 50 threads and it adds up to almost exactly 300 hours on the front page. That's a lot of hours. But it was over a total time span of 900 hours, so still pretty easy to miss all 50 threads. This is the way the HN frontpage works: no one sees everything that makes the front page (not even us), and it's entirely possible to miss the largest threads and most-discussed topics. For example, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43208973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43208973 is by now the second-largest thread in HN's history and spent 16 hours on the front page, but there are still going to be thousands of regular HN readers who never saw it, and some of those will probably feel angry about that and say that it has been "silenced" and "censored" and so on. That's the way this works. Ultimately, it works that way because of fundamentals, meaning there's not much we can do about it. The solution is not to have 100 threads with 80k comments on the frontpage for 600 hours, instead of 50 threads with 40k comments for 300 hours, even though that's probably what most people who feel frustrated probably think they want. Rather the solution is to articulate the principles by which HN operates, and keep sticking to those principles over time. I've been posting a ton about that in recent weeks, although (by the same dynamic I just described!) many readers won't yet have seen any of those posts. Here are two entry points: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43130700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43130700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011
- dang 2y agoI call this the "nobody goes there anymore it's too crowded" theory of HN threads: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20nobody%20crowded&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... "This stuff" is by far the most-discussed stuff on HN in the last couple months. Nothing else comes close. Below, I've pasted a partial list. That's restricted to just muskdogeness and only the biggest threads. There are 25,000 comments in those threads alone. How this translates into "the threads are silenced" and "people give up on commenting" is left as an exercise to the reader. --- The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43227180 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43227180 - March 2025 (164 comments) A Letter to the American People - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43224350 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43224350 - March 2025 (440 comments) GSA Eliminates 18F - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43221549 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43221549 - March 2025 (373 comments) A DOGE staffer appears to be posting DOGE work on his public GitHub - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43217947 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43217947 - March 2025 (348 comments) US Forest Service firings decimate already understaffed agency - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43193366 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43193366 - Feb 2025 (128 comments) FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43189999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43189999 - Feb 2025 (120 comments) DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43171265 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43171265 - Feb 2025 (185 comments) Disclosure of personal information to DOGE “is irreparable harm,” judge rules - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43167579 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43167579 - Feb 2025 (150 comments) Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Experimentation is gone - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43166830 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43166830 - Feb 2025 (547 comments) Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43152470 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43152470 - Feb 2025 (113 comments) It is no longer safe to move our governments and societies to US clouds - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43150085 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43150085 - Feb 2025 (799 comments) Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43139172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43139172 - Feb 2025 (295 comments) DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43138238 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43138238 - Feb 2025 (1457 comments) SpaceX engineers brought on at FAA after probationary employees were fired - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43127819 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43127819 - Feb 2025 (133 comments) Every .gov Domain - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43125829 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43125829 - Feb 2025 (265 comments) Treasury agrees to block DOGE's access to personal taxpayer data at IRS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43121306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43121306 - Feb 2025 (170 comments) DOGE puts $1 spending limit on government employee credit cards - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43120231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43120231 - Feb 2025 (692 comments) DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43112084 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43112084 - Feb 2025 (1668 comments) Doge Claimed It Saved $8B in One Contract. It Was $8M - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101757 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101757 - Feb 2025 (124 comments) A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101009 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101009 - Feb 2025 (146 comments) "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43098705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43098705 - Feb 2025 (1279 comments) USDA fired officials working on bird flu, now trying to rehire them - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43097709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43097709 - Feb 2025 (179 comments) US government struggles to rehire nuclear safety staff it laid off days ago - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43066182 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43066182 - Feb 2025 (789 comments) Are DOGE's Claims of Social Security Payments to 150-Year-Olds Way Off Base? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43056993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43056993 - Feb 2025 (108 comments) Anyone can push updates to the doge.gov website - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43045835 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43045835 - Feb 2025 (1124 comments) USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43038727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43038727 - Feb 2025 (119 comments) DOGE Has Started Gutting a Key US Technology Agency - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43037426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43037426 - Feb 2025 (180 comments) DOGE staffer is trying to reroute FEMA funds - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43036042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43036042 - Feb 2025 (285 comments) DOGE as a National Cyberattack - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43035977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43035977 - Feb 2025 (211 comments) NOAA's public weather data powers the local forecasts on your phone and TV - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43018643 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43018643 - Feb 2025 (113 comments) Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com' - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42981756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42981756 - Feb 2025 (1801 comments) Announcing the data.gov archive - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42970039 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42970039 - Feb 2025 (132 comments) Elon Musk's Demolition Crew - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42968430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42968430 - Feb 2025 (345 comments) DOGE staffer resigns over racist posts - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42966412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42966412 - Feb 2025 (105 comments) DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42951458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42951458 - Feb 2025 (381 comments) 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42950790 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42950790 - Feb 2025 (548 comments) What's happening inside the NIH and NSF - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42940257 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42940257 - Feb 2025 (1536 comments) Onlookers freak out as 25-year-old set loose on Treasury computer system - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936421 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936421 - Feb 2025 (133 comments) Payments crisis of 2025: Not “read only” access anymore - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42933219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42933219 - Feb 2025 (654 comments) Words flagged in search of current NSF awards - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42932760 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42932760 - Feb 2025 (155 comments) The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42910910 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42910910 - Feb 2025 (2990 comments) CDC: Unpublished manuscripts mentioning certain topics must be pulled or revised - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42905937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42905937 - Feb 2025 (721 comments) CDC data are disappearing - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42897696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42897696 - Feb 2025 (589 comments) Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42892278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42892278 - Jan 2025 (125 comments) NSF starts vetting all grants to comply with executive orders - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42886661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42886661 - Jan 2025 (488 comments) Archivists work to save disappearing data.gov datasets - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42881367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42881367 - Jan 2025 (238 comments) US pauses all federal aid and grants - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42851248 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42851248 - Jan 2025 (485 comments) 'Never seen anything like this' – NIH meetings and travel halted abruptly - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42817910 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42817910 - Jan 2025 (111 comments) NIH hit with freezes on meetings, travel, communications, and hiring - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42798960 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42798960 - Jan 2025 (440 comments)
- dang 2y agoIt's quiet in here because there's active discussion in other threads: GSA Eliminates 18F - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43221549 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43221549 - March 2025 (373 comments) A Letter to the American People - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43224350 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43224350 - March 2025 (440 comments)
- jfengel 2y agoHe's acting like this because he campaigned on "government bad". Not any specific bit of it: all of it. It is often theorized that he's doing this on behalf of some foreign power. That seems unlikely, and more to the point, uninformative. He was democratically elected: a plurality of voters wanted this outcome. He still has wide support among them. It is true that foreign powers have been spreading propaganda in his favor, and the result is a weakening of the country. But that's not the result of one person betraying the nation. It's the result of American beliefs about what their nation is and should be.