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I don't think we'll see born-in-the-USA Americans moving to Shenzhen anytime soon. But a huge fraction of our workforce is immigrants who have given up their h

by rcpt 2y ago

I don't think we'll see born-in-the-USA Americans moving to Shenzhen anytime soon. But a huge fraction of our workforce is immigrants who have given up their homeland and distanced themselves from their families and communities in search of opportunities here. The fact that we're driving them away now does not bode well for our future economy.

whynotminot 2y ago
A lot of immigrant communities actually voted for Donald Trump this time though. I don’t understand it. But it happened.
- andsoitis 2y ago
  Analysis: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/americas-immigrant-voters-and-the-2024-presidential-election/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/americas-immigrant-voters...
- milesrout 2y ago
  It is very simple. Nobody hates queue jumpers more than the people that stood in line.
  - walthamstow 2y ago
    Those who stood in line as you say also want to take people out of today's queue. Legality doesn't have much to do with it. In Britain it's called pulling up the drawbridge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge_mentality
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
  If someone said "Americans do X", there would be some pushback about "not all Americans". But somehow it's normal (expected even) to bunch all immigrants together into the "they were all desperate and decided to jump the fence" pile. It's actually surprising that this point is so hard to understand.
remarkEon 2y ago
If the immigrants that we've allowed to come here are so fickle that they would leave for China if China presents better opportunities, I would prefer that they leave now and get it over with. My country is not an economic zone for extracting value. It's my home.
- rcpt 2y ago
  > extracting value Did you mean creating wealth? I'm not talking about land speculation. I'm talking about creating businesses and jobs for everyone. I'm talking about hard labor that's necessary for our society to run. We're not better off picking crops while China's tech economy becomes #1.
blitzar 2y ago
You should visit Shenzhen. Plenty of born-in-the-USA Americans (+ European etc) there.

by rcpt 2y ago

whynotminot 2y ago

A lot of immigrant communities actually voted for Donald Trump this time though. I don’t understand it. But it happened.

andsoitis 2y ago
Analysis: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/americas-immigrant-voters-and-the-2024-presidential-election/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/americas-immigrant-voters...
milesrout 2y ago
It is very simple. Nobody hates queue jumpers more than the people that stood in line.
- walthamstow 2y ago
  Those who stood in line as you say also want to take people out of today's queue. Legality doesn't have much to do with it. In Britain it's called pulling up the drawbridge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge_mentality
riehwvfbk 2y ago
If someone said "Americans do X", there would be some pushback about "not all Americans". But somehow it's normal (expected even) to bunch all immigrants together into the "they were all desperate and decided to jump the fence" pile. It's actually surprising that this point is so hard to understand.

remarkEon 2y ago

If the immigrants that we've allowed to come here are so fickle that they would leave for China if China presents better opportunities, I would prefer that they leave now and get it over with. My country is not an economic zone for extracting value. It's my home.

rcpt 2y ago
> extracting value Did you mean creating wealth? I'm not talking about land speculation. I'm talking about creating businesses and jobs for everyone. I'm talking about hard labor that's necessary for our society to run. We're not better off picking crops while China's tech economy becomes #1.

blitzar 2y ago

You should visit Shenzhen. Plenty of born-in-the-USA Americans (+ European etc) there.