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Uhhh is there a full clip because 18 seconds of what looks like a speech seems like cherry picking.

by refurb 2y ago

acdha 2y ago
What kind of context do you think would excuse that sentiment? Given his extensive public record, would you argue that this is somehow out of character for him? It seems rather consistent based on the rest of his career: https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/01/03/russ-vought-donald-trumps-holy-warrior https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/01/03/russ-voug...
- refurb 2y ago
  Why? Because I've seen Propublica cherry pick quotes before and taken them entirely out of context? The media has been lying to us for decades and no, I don't take them at their word, especially when they share a clip that removes all context.
  - hypothesis 2y ago
    > I've seen Propublica cherry pick quotes Wait until you see Twitter Files or whatever Elon is going to drop from DOGE.
  - acdha 2y ago
    Are you expecting a creationist style trimmed quote where he said something like “Only a sociopath would say something like…” before the portion in that clip? It’s clear from the length and his cadence that this wasn’t a slip of the tongue or a tight clip. https://youtu.be/oBH9TmeJN_M https://youtu.be/oBH9TmeJN_M If so, I would note that it’s curious that he’s declined to comment rather than clearing his record and the Trump campaign similarly reacted by pretending they wouldn’t have him setting policy again rather than by saying that’s not what he meant.
    - refurb 2y ago
      I like to make my own decision on how to interpret what someone says, not "trust" someone else to do that. > https://youtu.be/oBH9TmeJN_M https://youtu.be/oBH9TmeJN_M This clip starts at the same point.
      - acdha 2y ago
        Yes, I’m sorry if I gave the impression that I thought it was a different clip. I am just having trouble coming up with an interpretation which would meaningfully change its impact short of, say, it turning out to be an acting class reading lines for the villain’s role, and in any scenario like that he wouldn’t have hesitated to respond and provide that context.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    in some extents you may have to. because unlike the Zelensky talk, these kinds of people operate the best in the shadows. They don't want the public to see "the full clip". That's where you have to trust some kind of journalist and check their report.
larkinnaire 2y ago
There's not a full clip, probably because it was taken from private speeches. But the article does a good job of putting it into context, and discussing how his private rhetoric is just a scarier, more insulting version of stuff he says in public all the time: https://www.propublica.org/article/video-donald-trump-russ-vought-center-renewing-america-maga https://www.propublica.org/article/video-donald-trump-russ-v...
mistrial9 2y ago
California here - completely agree that one-sided media clips are a universal occurrence in the modern US media; secondly, completely agree that full speeches, primary sources and thinking for yourself are first-order ingredients in forming real insights and opinions.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  It's an unfortunate attempt to appeal to a generational shift. The youth are consuming more shortform content, and even older social media loves to dismiss proper longform content with TL;DR. Especially videos that set their own pace. It may, again sadly, be the best of both worlds. The motivated ones will see a link in the description and start their research, the non-motivated ones (the majority) will accept or reject it right here.

Uhhh is there a full clip because 18 seconds of what looks like a speech seems like cherry picking.

by refurb 2y ago

Uhhh is there a full clip because 18 seconds of what looks like a speech seems like cherry picking.

What kind of context do you think would excuse that sentiment? Given his extensive public record, would you argue that this is somehow out of character for him? It seems rather consistent based on the rest of his career: https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/01/03/russ-vought-donald-trumps-holy-warrior https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/01/03/russ-voug...

refurb 2y ago
Why? Because I've seen Propublica cherry pick quotes before and taken them entirely out of context? The media has been lying to us for decades and no, I don't take them at their word, especially when they share a clip that removes all context.
- hypothesis 2y ago
  > I've seen Propublica cherry pick quotes Wait until you see Twitter Files or whatever Elon is going to drop from DOGE.
- acdha 2y ago
  Are you expecting a creationist style trimmed quote where he said something like “Only a sociopath would say something like…” before the portion in that clip? It’s clear from the length and his cadence that this wasn’t a slip of the tongue or a tight clip. https://youtu.be/oBH9TmeJN_M https://youtu.be/oBH9TmeJN_M If so, I would note that it’s curious that he’s declined to comment rather than clearing his record and the Trump campaign similarly reacted by pretending they wouldn’t have him setting policy again rather than by saying that’s not what he meant.
  - refurb 2y ago
    I like to make my own decision on how to interpret what someone says, not "trust" someone else to do that. > https://youtu.be/oBH9TmeJN_M https://youtu.be/oBH9TmeJN_M This clip starts at the same point.
    - acdha 2y ago
      Yes, I’m sorry if I gave the impression that I thought it was a different clip. I am just having trouble coming up with an interpretation which would meaningfully change its impact short of, say, it turning out to be an acting class reading lines for the villain’s role, and in any scenario like that he wouldn’t have hesitated to respond and provide that context.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  in some extents you may have to. because unlike the Zelensky talk, these kinds of people operate the best in the shadows. They don't want the public to see "the full clip". That's where you have to trust some kind of journalist and check their report.

larkinnaire 2y ago

There's not a full clip, probably because it was taken from private speeches. But the article does a good job of putting it into context, and discussing how his private rhetoric is just a scarier, more insulting version of stuff he says in public all the time: https://www.propublica.org/article/video-donald-trump-russ-vought-center-renewing-america-maga https://www.propublica.org/article/video-donald-trump-russ-v...

mistrial9 2y ago

California here - completely agree that one-sided media clips are a universal occurrence in the modern US media; secondly, completely agree that full speeches, primary sources and thinking for yourself are first-order ingredients in forming real insights and opinions.

johnnyanmac 2y ago
It's an unfortunate attempt to appeal to a generational shift. The youth are consuming more shortform content, and even older social media loves to dismiss proper longform content with TL;DR. Especially videos that set their own pace. It may, again sadly, be the best of both worlds. The motivated ones will see a link in the description and start their research, the non-motivated ones (the majority) will accept or reject it right here.